Kyle Rittenhouse goes to trial

[Grinning Dragon]

Yeah that ain't gonna happen, the only way kyle would get any reaction from the dipshit, is if kyle were to magically turn into a 12yr girl.
Kyle's best bet is to just sue the piece of shit for defamation/slander, what have you.

Except politicians with a thin grasp of the US constitution will point out they are immune to such things.

Granted, it's in a section pertaining to senators, and not presidents.

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

And you'd need to badly abuse the wording and look at it funny for it to sound like that.

So as long as 35% of the senate is A-OK with Biden's gaffs, nothing will ever come of it. Kinda like Trump's tenure.

dipshit was a candidate at the time, so such protections do not apply.

[Galloism]

EDIT: Minor addendum - Rosenbaum appears to move southbound based on an instruction from Ziminski. Screenshot attached.

So here's a thing I found.

I thought the wife of Maurice Freeland (AKA Jump Kick Man) was blowing smoke with the claim about him expressing intent on Facebook to kill Rittenhouse. That still might be, but here's the thing: I just identified Jump Kick Man earlier in the footage than anybody in the court, and there's at least a small amount of evidence supporting this possibility captured on film.

Orcanut has released a new compilation, now including footage from the court.

Here is that compilation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1tzBpi07ls

They part I'd like to draw attention to is 1:47:30 or so. This is where there's a group of people burning some trash in an overturned trash can in the middle of Sheridan road. Annoying, but largely harmless.

Here's a screenshot of that behavior:

Then, Ziminski points southbound and appears to say something (can't hear). Rosenbaum is turned toward Ziminski looking at him as he's giving this instruction (you can see him behind Ziminski facing directly towards him - already wearing his shirt as a mask).

Suddenly, Rosenbaum starts moving southbound. A whole group of people, including both Ziminskis, start following him.

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And... wait who is this? White pants, dark coat, light shirt, baseball cap... and it appears he's holding and looking at or typing into a phone?

At this moment, I'd like to remind you of statement of Maurice Freeland's wife, Melody:

Melody provided new alleged details that, while unproven, seem like something the prosecution would want to vet and either debunk or verify: most dramatically, she alleged to Wisconsin Right Now that Maurice posted on Facebook shortly before the shooting, writing, as she recalled it, “@Team Reese, let’s kill that white boy” with emojis of a gun and coffin. Maurice Freeland’s nickname is Reese, which is verified by his Facebook pages. She could not provide rock-solid proof of this, however, beyond her memory.

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/ ... -freeland/

But wait, is that really jumpkick man? Seems a little thin. But a moment later...

Now you can make out the white mask and the white lettering on his hat. For comparison, here's a photo after Jump Kick Man kicked Rittenhouse:

Black hat, white lettering, white mask, white shirt, light pants, dark jacket. That's the same person.

The prosecution was correct that Jump Kick Man saw the first shooting and wasn't a random that didn't see what happened. They just didn't realize he wasn't a random at all. He was there from the beginning.

[Thermodolia]

I still find it humerous that the right glorifies a man who self-identifies as a black lives matter supporting nurse who shot a racist man that tried to disrupt a BLM protest.

The kid was joking about shooting looters, had "Trump 2020" in his tiktok bio' and was joking on a podcast about Prosecutor Binger getting pegged.

He definitely doesn't support BLM. It's pretty evident that he just said that to lessen the risk of some BLM/antifa-supporting maniac stabbing him on the streets.

I saw a guy who had a BLM flag and a Trump 2020 flag flying from his truck. It’s entirely possible to support both

[The Two Jerseys]

Snip

Anyone else not seeing the screenshots?

[Galloism]

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Anyone else not seeing the screenshots?

You don't see anything under the spoilers? I just opened up a different browser (not logged into anything) and they're showing.

[The Two Jerseys]

Anyone else not seeing the screenshots?

You don't see anything under the spoilers? I just opened up a different browser (not logged into anything) and they're showing.

Must be Firefox then, I can see them in Chrome...

[Galloism]

You don't see anything under the spoilers? I just opened up a different browser (not logged into anything) and they're showing.

Must be Firefox then, I can see them in Chrome...

Ah ok.

[Galloism]

Minor addendum - Rosenbaum started leading the crowd southbound upon a pointed instruction by Ziminski.

[Tarsonis]

are we seriously still litigating this?

[Fahran]

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Honestly, if this can be reasonably verified, I wouldn't mind Freeland and Ziminski facing charges - perhaps for conspiracy to commit murder, aggravated assault, and attempted homicide. Since that post shows premeditation and homicidal intent.

[Galloism]

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Honestly, if this can be reasonably verified, I wouldn't mind Freeland and Ziminski facing charges - perhaps for conspiracy to commit murder, aggravated assault, and attempted homicide. Since that post shows premeditation and homicidal intent.

First they should subpoena Facebook to see if that post really happened, if it did what time stamp, and if they have that data, what location (I don’t use the Facebook app, or the demon of social media at all, so I don’t know about that last part).

If it did and it happened right then… yes, everything you described would seem appropriate.

[Salus Maior]

are we seriously still litigating this?

There's some interesting new information.

[Fahran]

First they should subpoena Facebook to see if that post really happened, if it did what time stamp, and if they have that data, what location (I don’t use the Facebook app, or the demon of social media at all, so I don’t know about that last part).

If it did and it happened right then… yes, everything you described would seem appropriate.

Facebook does probably have access to all that information. I imagine the local prosecutor might be slow to ask for a subpoena though since, at present, the evidence looks roughly cobbled together. Plus there might be some biases there given the mood of locals. That said, given the caliber of people we're talking about, I can't really say it's hard to believe that they actively conspired to murder a teenager for... police reform? Yeah, right.

[Galloism]

First they should subpoena Facebook to see if that post really happened, if it did what time stamp, and if they have that data, what location (I don’t use the Facebook app, or the demon of social media at all, so I don’t know about that last part).

If it did and it happened right then… yes, everything you described would seem appropriate.

Facebook does probably have access to all that information. I imagine the local prosecutor might be slow to ask for a subpoena though since, at present, the evidence looks roughly cobbled together. That said, given the caliber of people we're talking about, I can't really say it's hard to believe that they actively conspired to murder a teenager for... police reform? Yeah, right.

My cobbling completely called out and I have no defense.

Holy shit.

If you pour holy water on me, do I not scream in agony?

Anyway. I can try to make it better. Wish I had the court video big size with no watermark.

[American Legionaries]

Facebook does probably have access to all that information. I imagine the local prosecutor might be slow to ask for a subpoena though since, at present, the evidence looks roughly cobbled together. That said, given the caliber of people we're talking about, I can't really say it's hard to believe that they actively conspired to murder a teenager for... police reform? Yeah, right.

My cobbling completely called out and I have no defense.

Holy shit.

If you pour holy water on me, do I not scream in agony?

Anyway. I can try to make it better. Wish I had the court video big size with no watermark.

As my welding instructor always told me, it's allowed to be ugly if it holds up.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

My cobbling completely called out and I have no defense.

Holy shit.

If you pour holy water on me, do I not scream in agony?

Anyway. I can try to make it better. Wish I had the court video big size with no watermark.

As my welding instructor always told me, it's allowed to be ugly if it holds up.

Wish mine was so lenient.

Actually had to place a bet that a weld with marginal sized porosity would hold up to a destructive bend-test after I quenched it in a snowbank due to a finals time-crunch.
(note: although snow is hilariously cold, snow is still a pretty nice insulator)

iirc it was 1045 carbon steel with a 475 degree preheat due to being an inch thick. Although I could be misremembering one finals project for the one I finished 30 minutes later.

[American Legionaries]

As my welding instructor always told me, it's allowed to be ugly if it holds up.

Wish mine was so lenient.

Actually had to place a bet that a weld with marginal sized porosity would hold up to a destructive bend-test after I quenched it in a snowbank due to a finals time-crunch.
(note: although snow is hilariously cold, snow is still a pretty nice insulator)

iirc it was 1045 carbon steel with a 475 degree preheat due to being an inch thick. Although I could be misremembering one finals project for the one I finished 30 minutes later.

Lol, I wasn't being taught in school, it was industrial training, and since what I was welding would soon be submerged in liquid sewage, nobody gave a shit so long as it was strong enough.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Revisiting the warning shot aspect because I can't believe I missed this earlier:

For example the "Roof Koreans" and their warning shots worked because the looters they were dealing with were simply looters, they didn't care either way if the Koreans lived or died, they just wanted them out of the way so they could take their stuff, they, rationally, didn't want to die for the Korean's stuff and thus rationally retreated.

But in the case where someone has flown into a rage and is no longer thinking rationally, a warning shot isn't going to stop them because they are in fight or flight mode, they might not even notice the warning shot because of the tunnel vision brought on by their wraith.

So does this mean that the legality of warning shots should depend on whether the kind of person you're dealing with is a looter or a domestic abuser?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Revisiting the warning shot aspect because I can't believe I missed this earlier:

For example the "Roof Koreans" and their warning shots worked because the looters they were dealing with were simply looters, they didn't care either way if the Koreans lived or died, they just wanted them out of the way so they could take their stuff, they, rationally, didn't want to die for the Korean's stuff and thus rationally retreated.

But in the case where someone has flown into a rage and is no longer thinking rationally, a warning shot isn't going to stop them because they are in fight or flight mode, they might not even notice the warning shot because of the tunnel vision brought on by their wraith.

So does this mean that the legality of warning shots should depend on whether the kind of person you're dealing with is a looter or a domestic abuser?

Pretty sure none of those were warning-shots.

The only case of warning shots that I can think of being fired actually involved multiple machine-guns being used in self-defense and several hundred rounds being fired to disable an entire parking lot of vehicles with the side-effect of scaring three people robbing a gun-store completely shitless.

Thank you for not smoking

[The Lone Alliance]

So does this mean that the legality of warning shots should depend on whether the kind of person you're dealing with is a looter or a domestic abuser?

Looting only occurs in an area that is completely without the control of law and order where for the most part it's your word against a looter, legally the LA police could have arrested the Roof Koreans for their warning shots but since the police had, for the most part completely abandoned the area, and the only witnesses that could have brought issue against the warning shots were the looters it would have been near impossible to get an effective charge.

It was also a different political situation than today, it's highly likely that if such an event happened again it's far more possible that they'd face prosecution.

[Yaak]

I believe the name of the thread should be changed.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

So does this mean that the legality of warning shots should depend on whether the kind of person you're dealing with is a looter or a domestic abuser?

Looting only occurs in an area that is completely without the control of law and order where for the most part it's your word against a looter, legally the LA police could have arrested the Roof Koreans for their warning shots but since the police had, for the most part completely abandoned the area, and the only witnesses that could have brought issue against the warning shots were the looters it would have been near impossible to get an effective charge.

It was also a different political situation than today, it's highly likely that if such an event happened again it's far more possible that they'd face prosecution.

"Warning shots", to the center of mass. Not sure where you heard about them firing warning shots. Bullets are too expensive to be used for fireworks and noisemakers.

That said, the majority of people shot with handguns tend not to die. Although that isn't to say they aren't in for a bad time at the best of times and gonna die if fortune is frowning upon them that day.

So a looter or robber has gotta ask themselves: Am I feeling lucky?

Bring a shotgun or a rifle that can blow the top of a man's head clean-off JFK-style, it isn't really a matter of luck anymore.

[Kubra]

Looting only occurs in an area that is completely without the control of law and order where for the most part it's your word against a looter, legally the LA police could have arrested the Roof Koreans for their warning shots but since the police had, for the most part completely abandoned the area, and the only witnesses that could have brought issue against the warning shots were the looters it would have been near impossible to get an effective charge.

It was also a different political situation than today, it's highly likely that if such an event happened again it's far more possible that they'd face prosecution.

"Warning shots", to the center of mass. Not sure where you heard about them firing warning shots. Bullets are too expensive to be used for fireworks and noisemakers.

That said, the majority of people shot with handguns tend not to die. Although that isn't to say they aren't in for a bad time at the best of times and gonna die if fortune is frowning upon them that day.

So a looter or robber has gotta ask themselves: Am I feeling lucky?

Bring a shotgun or a rifle that can blow the top of a man's head clean-off JFK-style, it isn't really a matter of luck anymore.

Bullet's are definitely not expensive enough to not be used as fireworks or noisemakers, preferably with a fully automatic weapon. This is a ridiculous thing. Your marriage, if such a thing even occurs, will be a sad and boring event.

[Washington Resistance Army]

"Warning shots", to the center of mass. Not sure where you heard about them firing warning shots. Bullets are too expensive to be used for fireworks and noisemakers.

That said, the majority of people shot with handguns tend not to die. Although that isn't to say they aren't in for a bad time at the best of times and gonna die if fortune is frowning upon them that day.

So a looter or robber has gotta ask themselves: Am I feeling lucky?

Bring a shotgun or a rifle that can blow the top of a man's head clean-off JFK-style, it isn't really a matter of luck anymore.

Bullet's are definitely not expensive enough to not be used as fireworks or noisemakers, preferably with a fully automatic weapon. This is a ridiculous thing. Your marriage, if such a thing even occurs, will be a sad and boring event.

Man have you seen ammo prices since the wombo combo of Biden and Corona hit? Feels like you have to sell a kidney for a single box nowadays.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

"Warning shots", to the center of mass. Not sure where you heard about them firing warning shots. Bullets are too expensive to be used for fireworks and noisemakers.

That said, the majority of people shot with handguns tend not to die. Although that isn't to say they aren't in for a bad time at the best of times and gonna die if fortune is frowning upon them that day.

So a looter or robber has gotta ask themselves: Am I feeling lucky?

Bring a shotgun or a rifle that can blow the top of a man's head clean-off JFK-style, it isn't really a matter of luck anymore.

Bullet's are definitely not expensive enough to not be used as fireworks or noisemakers, preferably with a fully automatic weapon. This is a ridiculous thing. Your marriage, if such a thing even occurs, will be a sad and boring event.

Sure, if you've got a 3 grand machine-gun and enough bread to dump ten grand worth of ammo on a whim... go nuts. Pretty odd wedding if that was all it had going for it. How's that marriage working out for you?

Plus you'd start making your shots count too if there's more looters than you have rounds stockpiled. And back in the 90's, massive stockpiles weren't a thing because "you could always get more", until you can't of course.