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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:53 am

Apatosaurus *** 1 day forumban for threadjacking *** - the topic is "Liberate A Liberal Haven", not "is Wayneactia DOS player Chester Pearson?"

A wider note, since this comes up on a regular basis, and inevitably causes a threadjack: we ban players from the site to remove problematic behaviour. On occasion, a DOS player requests to return and in some cases we allow them, when we think that the problematic behaviour is in the past - MadJack is the most prominent example of a case where that has worked out.

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Wayneactia, you have generally behaved over the last five years, but as I have reminded you about before, your abrasive and antagonistic attitude continues to come out at times. For your own sake, you need to keep that in check. Read my advice above carefully, if you want to avoid this continuing to come up on a regular basis.

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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:08 am

Matthew the Man wrote:Furthermore, I consider that TBH should cease to exist as an organization.

an actual unironic "delenda est TBH" :lol:

Also, with Garchyland and Maineiacs giving this Liberation their support, it's a no-brainer really. Support, and best of luck to the two of them on rebuilding ALH after this passes.

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Instead of approving that.. Don't! There is nothing to worry about. Everything is fine, this is fine. Region is perfectly safe from sneaky nations.

We don't need the Security Council to infringe on our right to regional sovereignty!

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This has to be my favorite counter-campaign TG ever, though. :hug:
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:35 am

I am glad to see this proposal, good luck with passing it. It will make for a nice historical record for the raid, and we haven't had a liberation in ages.

Emodea wrote:The Security Council,

Recognizing A Liberal Haven's exalted status as one of the oldest regions in the multiverse, having been founded on August 7, 2003,

Sounds like it's long past its due for new blood to run the place to me. You could hardly call the place a thriving community.

Cognizant of the region’s continuous struggle for survival since its founder, Polaris and Vega, ceased to exist in 2011, making it a prime target for various invader forces over the course of the last decade,

It seems to struggle a great deal more with maintaining activity than anything invader-related. Let's be honest, you're liberating it because you want to try and take it from us, not because you feel sorry for or care for the region in question - not even its natives do.

Noting that parties involved in this occupation have reaffirmed their commitment to region destruction through a multitude of invasions in the past, including but not limited to The Lefts Nirvana, Hogwarts and Liberty Nations Alliance,

I suspect you could have picked better examples than a raid from 2014, the Lefts Nirvana (an old defender-aligned region, to my knowledge, and refounded in 2010) and the one region defenders didn't care to detag and as a result got locked up. I'm surprised you didn't mention the condemnations for cheap points, too, but you do you.

Horrified at the implications of letting this occupation go unchallenged, which will surely endanger this historic region's very existence if not acted upon soon,

What? This is what I don't understand, and it ties in to Apato's post below. The region is filled with influence, and if we want to keep the password a secret, we can't exactly bring in the pilers required to do so unless we want to wait out for a year. That's counter-productive in the extreme. If this resolution is correct about our intentions, defenders would get their hands on the password sooner or later, making the liberation pointless.

Apatosaurus wrote:EDIT: You will also find that with 76 pilers (which TBH is currently a quarter of the way through as more pilers come in) and 3 months then ejecting him would be possible, particularly as only an ejection is necessary with the password.

Even if the region does not get refounded, it's still griefing and community destruction.

Mathematically you may be right, but there's so many flaws in this reasoning. Firstly, why would we lock ourselves for 3 months? Secondly, how would we move in 76 pilers while still keeping the password from leaking to defenders? That seems silly.
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Postby Barfleur » Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:48 am

I generally try not to get involved in R/D / gameplay drama, but I do think this proposal should pass. ALH now has more nations than it has in the last 5 years, but the region is blocked off by password, has had its flag and WFE scrubbed and defaced, and is losing all its embassies. Note that I am not always against raiding (esp. tag raids) but this is all so mean spirited. And I also don't get the whole point that the raiders have somehow added something to the region--it was not their community, and they have no right to take it over, even if they genuinely think they are helping out.

In all fairness, though, I did love the counter TG. Nothing bad to say about that.
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Postby Milorum » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:00 am

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:02 am

At vote on the schedule I hinted at on the bottom of the last page.

AS OF 1659 GMT ON MONDAY: Approvals: 83 out of 56 needed (Budgie Snugglers, Sylh Alanor, Thousand Branches, Andusre, Tinhampton, Morover, Creeperopolis, One Small Island, Ordivus, Willtechia, Thaelle, Aerlion, Paramountica, Peraro Krotoik, Albrook, Treadwellia, Wischland, The Salaxalans, Imperial Eagle, Seludong, Enlais, New Strixica, Wadelhelpia, Student Loan Debt, Calnodia, Otaku Stratus, The Independent States of Allied Forces, TESDAI, Auxorii, The Glorious Hypetrain, Aftenheim, NinjitsUtopia, Bearded Dragones, Arcesius, Candensia, Herby, Tomisburg, Penguin Dictators, Amerion, Primorye Oblast, USS Juneau, Brys questions, Lesser Velutaria, SherpDaWerp, The Free Northern Isles, 15th Scottish Highlanders Division, Free Woritanarbio Islands, Jean Rowe, Echoslavia, The Stalker, Noble Titans, Calamari Lands, The Unified Pumaxi, Trovons, New Themotica, Sedgistan, Kyuxcy, Madjack, Americatain, The Soviet state of Svalbard, Ruinenlust, Kingdom of Englands, Octal, Gabeonovia, Orioni 2, Sailiopia, Antamaran, GoodKingWenceslas, Lacmhacarh, Jute, The Age of Utopia, Qudrath, The Andoran Empire ELARIA, NewTexas, North East Somerset, Zeiling, Pheonixknight, CRGC, Smanson, Fachumonn, Quebec and Labrador, The Hard Part, Baccalieu)

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For: 1,990: Madjack (945), Wischland (432), Budgie Snugglers (213), Andusre (149), Thaelle (144), Creeperopolis (45), Tinhampton (44), and (18) individual member nations.

Against: 1: (1) individual member nations.
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Postby Garchyland » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:25 pm

It seems to struggle a great deal more with maintaining activity than anything invader-related. Let's be honest, you're liberating it because you want to try and take it from us, not because you feel sorry for or care for the region in question - not even its natives do.


Do not confuse a lack of activity for a lack of care. Just because we are a small community with limited activity in the past decade does not mean we take kindly to having our identity ripped from us.
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Postby Patriarchal Tenjhoku » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:44 pm

William wrote:
Emodea wrote:Observing that on January 2, 2021,

Uh, Moon? It's 2022 :P

Otherwise, this looks great. I'm sure the GP community will recognize the urgency of this liberation and get this thing passed.

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Postby Fauxia » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:48 pm

For, obviously, and I look forward to absolutely crushing the fuck out of the invaders after this passes handily.
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Postby Pattevere » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:50 pm

"One of the secretaries hands a statement over to one of the diplomats, the paper still warm from coming off the printer. He adjusts his half-moon reading glasses and begins to read..."


The Community of Pattevere votes in firm support of "Liberate A Liberal Haven" alongside its region, The South Pacific.

We strongly denounce the unprovoked, forcible takeover of any sovereign nation. Given the nature of the invaders, we predict that military intervention will be required to return A Liberal Haven to its native population. In anticipation of a resulting humanitarian crisis, we open our borders to those fleeing the unlawful regime. Medical aid, shelter, and work is available, provided those individuals pass background checks.

The Community of Pattevere prays that there is a swift resolution to this unfortunate state of affairs with minimal bloodshed and human suffering.


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Postby Southen Mark » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:04 pm

Aye i vote yes to this, despite being anti liberal.

Raiding scum have reigned for too long and ill never forgive them to what they did to the United Islands. Liberal Heaven shall be liberated!
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:51 pm

Maineiacs wrote:I'm very much in favor of kicking the invaders out. I'd really rather not have to deal with such nonsense.

Now that we have verifiable native support, I have no qualms about voting for this and have done so accordingly. Sorry Vandy :(
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Postby Partnership for Sovereignty » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:58 pm

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The Partnership for Sovereignty recommends a vote FOR "Liberate A Liberal Haven”: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1641155

A Liberal Haven is a notable ancient region having been founded in August of 2003, placing it firmly amongst one of the oldest regions within the NationStates multiverse. Having been founderless since 2011, A Liberal Haven has existed peacefully in a passworded state that now stands threatened by the malicious intent of occupying raider forces.

The raiders currently occupying A Liberal Haven have changed the region's password against native wishes and both have a history of destroying other regions (such as The Lefts Nirvana, Hogwarts, and Liberty Nations Alliance) and have recently stated active intent to do so. With the unknown password in place, there is nothing to stop these occupiers from removing the remaining native nations and destroying A Liberal Haven's community and history, just as they have dozens of times before. Read More...
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Postby Heart of My Wife » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:08 pm

Matthew the Man wrote:I think it's very clear that raiders are only on this thread to troll, the region in question is unquestionably being occupied by raider forces who wish to do it harm. We should ignore this bait on the semantics of "natives" and instead focus on the proposal's actual merits themselves. Regarding the proposal itself, I'd like the echo Andy and Zuk's suggestions. The subject matter itself seems spot on, but as the aforementioned two mentioned, there are stylistic changes that would make this flow better as a reader. Full support.

Furthermore, I consider that TBH should cease to exist as an organization.


Honest Question, what is a valid raid then?

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Postby Amerion » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:12 pm

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The South Pacific's World Assembly Delegation has cast the Coalition's vote FOR this proposed resolution, Liberate A Liberal Haven, and warmly encourages fellow member regions to vote FOR.


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Postby Holy Thranity Xerros » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:03 pm

Holy Thranity Xerros fully supports this proposal. We pledge all necessary support as well

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Postby France Europe » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:32 am

As former Prime Minister of Liberty Nations Alliance (LNA) and proud member of it's heir Liberty Democratic Alliance (LDA), I would like to sincerely thank the authors for mentioning our former region in their proposal.

LNA was raided by the same raiders as A Liberal Haven, and at the time, we decided to stop living in a founderless region. In a few hours time, the government organized an evacuation to our current region, LDA, where most former active members of LNA now reside. A message to our raiders: you have not reached our regional unit. We are stronger and more united than before, and your cowardly attack has allowed us to truly build the community we cherish today.

The entire community of Liberty Democratic Alliance also wishes to express its most sincere solidarity to the members of A Liberal Haven.
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Postby Miravana » Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:53 am

France Europe wrote: A message to our raiders: you have not reached our regional unit. We are stronger and more united than before, and your cowardly attack has allowed us to truly build the community we cherish today.


Raiding spurs activity. We crush the weak and challenge the strong. I am glad to see you are strong.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:32 am

Miravana wrote:
France Europe wrote: A message to our raiders: you have not reached our regional unit. We are stronger and more united than before, and your cowardly attack has allowed us to truly build the community we cherish today.


Raiding spurs activity. We crush the weak and challenge the strong. I am glad to see you are strong.


Percy scratched his head, "Oh don't mind me, officer, I was just testing... erm, their defenses. Seems the alarm in fact is working. Would you look at that! I'll put the television back now. What a lovely gun you have, it really makes your eyes pop."
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Postby RiderSyl » Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:06 am

Unibot III wrote:
Miravana wrote:
Raiding spurs activity. We crush the weak and challenge the strong. I am glad to see you are strong.


Percy scratched his head, "Oh don't mind me, officer, I was just testing... erm, their defenses. Seems the alarm in fact is working. Would you look at that! I'll put the television back now. What a lovely gun you have, it really makes your eyes pop."

... What's the television in this metaphor?
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Postby Team Leo » Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:17 am

A Bloodred Moon wrote:I am glad to see this proposal, good luck with passing it. It will make for a nice historical record for the raid, and we haven't had a liberation in ages.

Ayo y u lock da region up and password it shorty. U ain't allowed to destroy a region dats been 'round for years OG.

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:00 am

Liberate A Liberal Haven was passed 12,803 votes to 2,180. (85.45% support)

For: 12,803: Madjack (947), Amerion (784), Albrook (739), East Durthang (456), Wischland (428), Duby (284), North East Somerset (272), Primorye Oblast (253), Treadwellia (245), Budgie Snugglers (211), Super Awesome Fun Times (166), Andusre (145), Thaelle (141), Ruinenlust (125), TESDAI (115), Bearded Dragones (114), Lesser Velutaria (105), The Glorious Hypetrain (82), Sylh Alanor (78), Thousand Branches (74), South Boston Irishmen (68), Penguin Dictators (65), Enlais (65), The Salaxalans (58), Student Loan Debt (56), Brys questions (53), Tinhampton (47), Octal (45), Technocratic Terra (43), Creeperopolis (42), Josephtan (42), Candensia (39), Noble Titans (37), Roma Sparta (36), Yodle (33), New Asden (32), The Free Northern Isles (31), Dabberwocky (31), Sanctaria (30), Karteria (29), Battadia (27), Sjkeji (26), NewTexas (24), Owswaldia (23), Rain Delay (23), Tostandia (23), Orioni 2 (23), Yaxopsville (23), Kingdom of Englands (22), The Scottish Republic (21), Castle Federation (21), Potenzia (21), Sailiopia (20), Fachumonn (20), Americatain (19), One Small Island (19), Aynia Moreaux (19), Arcesius (18), Herya (18), Aerlion (18), Alesina (18), Alastair McIntyre (17), Quinceria (17), Calnodia (16), Greater Cuba (15), Baloo Kingdom (15), Lawid (13), Supierland (13), Niveusium (13), Candanadium (13), Calamari Lands (12), Ordivus (12), Somersetonia (12), Oi Barbaroi (12), Vegaga (12), The Civitas Islands (11), Orca and Narwhal (11), GoodKingWenceslas (11), Draganisia (11), Acknowledgement (10), The Greastest Nation (10), The Heavenly Cross Federation (10), Satn (10), Albarusija (10), Penetration Nation (9), Seludong (9), Jean Rowe (9), The Unified Pumaxi (9), Hydroponic Nation (9), Zamastan (9), The Candy Of Bottles (8), Trovons (8), Brocklandia (8), Russiania (8), Aftenheim (8), The Voltarum (8), Axorian (8), The Soviet state of Svalbard (8), Orennica (8), Otaku Stratus (7), New Delfos (7), Edmundian Pluto (7), 15th Scottish Highlanders Division (7), Libonesia (7), 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The Union of British North America (3), Benristonia (3), Vengeant Aggression (3), His Excellency (3), Kigasan (3), Holy Roman Empires2 (3), Smanson (3), DeezNutzzz (3), TexJeeps (3), Jafasda (3), The Mtn Dew (3), Mardata (3), 11 Templar Knights (3), Ravko (3), Goatia (3), Man Eaters (3), The Isles of Bermuda (3), Tomisburg (3), Quebec and Labrador (3), East Thule (3), Wurplestan (3), Transylvania Company (3), Embreydo (3), Socialist Amogus (3), Censia Newia (3), Mormon State of Deseret (3), Morover (3), Frontier Isles (3), Xaviet empire (3), Baccalieu (3), South Doge Land (3), Vaarland (3), Ratification Of Your Mom (3), Skonlanda (3), Eastern Kodiak (3), Flor-Fina (3), China SCR (2), Jacobopolus (2), Himura yakumo (2), Calcaterra (2), Eotheood (2), Kopa-mona (2), Pheonixknight (2), The Agreelands (2), Greater Eireann (2), Kingdom of Derita (2), Democratic anti veganist state (2), Foreignaid (2), Infusvia (2), Tsaivao (2), Seffa (2), Aztopiand (2), NinjitsUtopia (2), FORKTASTICSTAN (2), 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Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664, GA#671, GA#674, GA#675, GA#677, GA#680, Issue #1580, GA#682, GA#683, GA#684, GA#692, GA#693, GA#715
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Maineiacs
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Maineiacs » Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:12 am

So, what happens next?
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Bottle tells it like it is
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Team Leo
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Founded: Apr 02, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Team Leo » Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:48 am

lets fucking go dummies.

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Vando0sa
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Vando0sa » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:07 pm

Maineiacs wrote:So, what happens next?


War.
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