American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

i have never heard of a social democratic banker and I would be seriously suspicious of anybody who claimed to be one.

then you must be very suspicious of democrats

i dont even care about "democrats" lmfao

[The Black Forrest]

i have never heard of a social democratic banker and I would be seriously suspicious of anybody who claimed to be one.

then you must be very suspicious of democrats. obama's and biden's cabinet were staffed by citigroup

Banker?

Where do you work and what do you do?

[New haven america]

No, you're the only one here who's puzzled about this.

But fine, since you forgot the first time I generously spelt it out for you:

-Liberal: You are a liberal/neoliberal, you're a banker working Wall Street
-Coastal: You live in New York City
-Elite: You're rich enough to afford dropping money on fucking Lambos

You're the liberal coastal elite you claim to hate. (Though tbh, that's not surprising, it's actually quite common on the left)

1. you seem incapable of distinguishing being one's profession and one's beliefs (and i'm sure there is a very obvious reason for this that i won't say). liberalism is a political ideology, neoliberalism is a cancerous form of it. neither are professions. calling me a liberal is like calling anyone who has ever served in the military a militarist.

2. really all youve done is assume that because of my personal life, i must also be committed to certain causes. it's kind of dumb.

1. You have never posted anything here in your entire time on NS that would lead me or anyone else to believe you're anything but at least liberal/neoliberal
2. It's also a critique of your rants about the Coastal Liberal Elite and the hypocrisy of those rants because you yourself are a Coastal Liberal Elite by every definition of the term

[The Black Forrest]

1. you seem incapable of distinguishing being one's profession and one's beliefs (and i'm sure there is a very obvious reason for this that i won't say). liberalism is a political ideology, neoliberalism is a cancerous form of it. neither are professions. calling me a liberal is like calling anyone who has ever served in the military a militarist.

2. really all youve done is assume that because of my personal life, i must also be committed to certain causes. it's kind of dumb.

1. You have never posted anything here in your entire time on NS that would lead me or anyone else to believe you're anything but liberal/neolibral
2. It's also a critique of your rants about the Coastal Liberal Elite and the hypocrisy of those rants because you yourself are a Coastal Liberal Elite

Nahhhh. I have been labeled liberal and I don’t find BS to fall under that label.

[Bear Stearns]

i have never heard of a social democratic banker and I would be seriously suspicious of anybody who claimed to be one.

I'm sus of anyone that claims to be economically left but socially far right. An inherently contradictory worldview, if you ask me.

social liberalism is more a thing of the rich than of the working class. leftists either deliberately ignore this or fail to realize it

[Maricarland]

From the Atlantic

Trump's Next Coup Has Already Begun, and this Time he may be Successful

[Bear Stearns]

1. you seem incapable of distinguishing being one's profession and one's beliefs (and i'm sure there is a very obvious reason for this that i won't say). liberalism is a political ideology, neoliberalism is a cancerous form of it. neither are professions. calling me a liberal is like calling anyone who has ever served in the military a militarist.

2. really all youve done is assume that because of my personal life, i must also be committed to certain causes. it's kind of dumb.

1. You have never posted anything here in your entire time on NS that would lead me or anyone else to believe you're anything but at least liberal/neoliberal

uh...haven't you called me a fascist numerous times? am i a liberal or a fascist?

2. It's also a critique of your rants about the Coastal Liberal Elite and the hypocrisy of those rants because you yourself are a Coastal Liberal Elite by every definition of the term

oh i see what this is...well do you also have a problem with every rich hollywood leftist virtue signalling about the latest oppression of the month?

also it's telling that you started on this tangent when i posted a link about a CNN producer trying to solicit a minor for sex...like you seem to care more about me than our so-called "trusted media" being quite full of pedophiles.

[New haven america]

1. You have never posted anything here in your entire time on NS that would lead me or anyone else to believe you're anything but at least liberal/neoliberal

1. uh...haven't you called me a fascist numerous times? am i a liberal or a fascist?

2. It's also a critique of your rants about the Coastal Liberal Elite and the hypocrisy of those rants because you yourself are a Coastal Liberal Elite by every definition of the term

2. oh i see what this is...well do you also have a problem with every rich hollywood leftist virtue signalling about the latest oppression of the month?

3. also it's telling that you started on this tangent when i posted a link about a CNN producer trying to solicit a minor for sex...like you seem to care more about me than our so-called "trusted media" being quite full of pedophiles.

1. Fascism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. If anything, since it's a right-wing ideology it's more likely to be capitalist. (As we can see with Nazi Germany, which has a privatization rate of 95%-98% depending on the year)
2. Yes
3. lol, good try, but no.

[Bear Stearns]

then you must be very suspicious of democrats. obama's and biden's cabinet were staffed by citigroup

Banker?

Where do you work and what do you do?

i work at [insert company here] and i help with corporate mergers in the [insert industry here]

[The Black Forrest]

Banker?

Where do you work and what do you do?

i work at [insert company here] and i help with corporate mergers in the [insert industry here]

Oh come now. I have better things to do then look you up. It’s was only a curiosity……

[Maricarland]

I've decided (as of a few hours ago) that it pointless to get involved in discussions about what ideology means 90% of the time on this website, and with a few exceptions, I am going to try and avoid it in the general forums from now on (we will see how long I can keep it up).

[The Jamesian Republic]

I've decided (as of a few hours ago) that it pointless to get involved in discussions about what ideology means 90% of the time on this website, and with a few exceptions, I am going to try and avoid it in the general forums from now on (we will see how long I can keep it up).

I’ll join you.

[Upper New York Estates]

Banker?

Where do you work and what do you do?

i work at [insert company here] and i help with corporate mergers in the [insert industry here]

Given your tendency to accuse people who are sex positive of supporting pedophilia and rape, I’m going to take all of your views with a healthy dosage of salt henceforth.

[Bear Stearns]

1. uh...haven't you called me a fascist numerous times? am i a liberal or a fascist?



2. oh i see what this is...well do you also have a problem with every rich hollywood leftist virtue signalling about the latest oppression of the month?

3. also it's telling that you started on this tangent when i posted a link about a CNN producer trying to solicit a minor for sex...like you seem to care more about me than our so-called "trusted media" being quite full of pedophiles.

1. Fascism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. If anything, since it's a right-wing ideology it's more likely to be capitalist. (As we can see with Nazi Germany, which has a privatization rate of 95%-98% depending on the year)
2. Yes
3. lol, good try, but no.

oh okay i see now. capitalism = fascism = liberalism and i should just take your word for it. looks like we've covered some ground.

[New haven america]

1. Fascism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. If anything, since it's a right-wing ideology it's more likely to be capitalist. (As we can see with Nazi Germany, which has a privatization rate of 95%-98% depending on the year)
2. Yes
3. lol, good try, but no.

1. oh okay i see now. 2. capitalism = fascism = liberalism and i should just take your word for it. looks like we've covered some ground.

1. lol, no, you don't.
2. Again, good try, but no.

[Rusozak]

i have never heard of a social democratic banker and I would be seriously suspicious of anybody who claimed to be one.

I am of the belief that the economic and social elite cannot be leftist almost by definition, and I would suspect any who are to either be in denial about themselves, or deliberately mischaracterizing themselves and using ideology as a tool to trick others into thinking they're on your side, as those at the top of society often do.

[The Black Forrest]

I've decided (as of a few hours ago) that it pointless to get involved in discussions about what ideology means 90% of the time on this website, and with a few exceptions, I am going to try and avoid it in the general forums from now on (we will see how long I can keep it up).

Ah padawan. You are learning. People say crap for affect on NSG all the time.

[Senkaku]

Well, again, comparing the war in Europe to America’s political rivalry is so absurd I think you can understand why my brain automatically switched it for you, because otherwise it’s hard to tell what you’re even trying to say

Perhaps it would have been safer to just not reply.

It's always safer to just not reply lol

From the Atlantic

Trump's Next Coup Has Already Begun, and this Time he may be Successful

it's an excellent and disturbing piece... from an outlet that's steadily discredited itself over many years, which no one will read, and whose author will either be disappeared or forced into exile in roughly three to five years' time; fun times!

i have never heard of a social democratic banker and I would be seriously suspicious of anybody who claimed to be one.

you've never been to New York, eh?

i dont like labels, but i guess center-left to left on ecomonics and far-right on social issues.

but it would depend on the issue. ask me anything

Also known as a Liberal!

lol what

i dont like labels, but i guess center-left to left on ecomonics and far-right on social issues.

but it would depend on the issue. ask me anything

What does far right on social issues mean?

Turner Diaries-adjacent but totally and definitely only for shitposting with the bros; I imagine you two would get along famously whenever the counterrevolution comes tbh

the person i am quoting is on record for supporting an actual dictatorship, but yeah man, it's all about fighting fascism

actually yes, it's all about fighting authoritarians to protect democracy in the long term, even if i have to be a raging hypocrite about it

you're selling old fish and everyone can smell it

i have never heard of a social democratic banker and I would be seriously suspicious of anybody who claimed to be one.

I'm sus of anyone that claims to be economically left but socially far right. An inherently contradictory worldview, if you ask me.

Not really. Murder or repress everyone in the out-groups and then build a utopia just for the elect; I have a pet theory that's sort of why Elon's grandpa moved to South Africa tbh.

[Genivaria]

1. Fascism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. If anything, since it's a right-wing ideology it's more likely to be capitalist. (As we can see with Nazi Germany, which has a privatization rate of 95%-98% depending on the year)
2. Yes
3. lol, good try, but no.

oh okay i see now. capitalism = fascism = liberalism and i should just take your word for it. looks like we've covered some ground.

Oh come now this isn't complicated.
Liberals and fascists both love capitalism and capitalists will leave liberals to die when they feel threatened and will run to fascists for protection.

[Kowani]

Polls are now closed in New Orleans sheriff election

[Yankee Rike]

Polls are now closed in New Orleans sheriff election

New Orleans was one ouf empire's more sickening acquisitions. We diluted our liberty-loving, Christian Saxon republic with imperialist, papist, slave-whipping French. We should raze it to the ground and resettle it with God-fearing Americans from the Ohio Country.

[Diahon]

you're selling old fish and everyone can smell it

you're justified in thinking that my authoritarian tendencies are more thoroughgoing than they actually are, but you still ain't right that i'm of their ilk

all that remains, then, is the demonstration

[Ifreann]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) begrudgingly notices that Florida is going underwater, but stresses it isn't about climate change and the state's response won't include any "left-wing stuff"

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Tuesday backed a statewide plan to deal with rising seas, but promised that the millions of spending wouldn’t go for “any left-wing stuff.”

DeSantis, whose state is intensely vulnerable, used the occasion to drive home that he doesn’t like the term “global warming,” even though the scientifically proven phenomenon threatens the cities that are the centers of Florida’s population and economy. The plan, announced in Oldsmar, near Tampa, would spend more than $270 million on flood mitigation. It comes after the governor signed a $640 million “climate resilience” plan this year, but experts say adaptation could be many orders of magnitude more expensive. At the event, DeSantis’s Secretary of Environmental Protection, Shawn Hamilton, called the Sunshine State “ground zero for the impacts of sea-level rise.”

DeSantis himself -- seen as a potential Republican candidate for president in 2024 -- was circumspect in discussing the root causes of the threat: carbon released into the atmosphere by automobile and industry. Petrochemical and coal companies have been heavy donors to his party. “What we’re doing though is just reacting to the fact that OK, we’re a flood-prone state,” DeSantis said. “We do have storms."

I've seen it suggested that Tucker Carlson's interview with Nigel Farage, in which Carlson suggests that covid is somehow feminising and saps the life force, is an attempt to contrive a non-scientific excuse for Carlson's audience to get vaccinated. Lest they all die of covid and leave him broke. I bring this up to wonder if, at some point, something similar will happen with climate change. At some point the deniers will be forced to contrive some reason to immediately abandon fossil fuels, something somehow unrelated to climate change. Maybe coal will make you gay.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) begrudgingly notices that Florida is going underwater, but stresses it isn't about climate change and the state's response won't include any "left-wing stuff"

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Tuesday backed a statewide plan to deal with rising seas, but promised that the millions of spending wouldn’t go for “any left-wing stuff.”

DeSantis, whose state is intensely vulnerable, used the occasion to drive home that he doesn’t like the term “global warming,” even though the scientifically proven phenomenon threatens the cities that are the centers of Florida’s population and economy. The plan, announced in Oldsmar, near Tampa, would spend more than $270 million on flood mitigation. It comes after the governor signed a $640 million “climate resilience” plan this year, but experts say adaptation could be many orders of magnitude more expensive. At the event, DeSantis’s Secretary of Environmental Protection, Shawn Hamilton, called the Sunshine State “ground zero for the impacts of sea-level rise.”

DeSantis himself -- seen as a potential Republican candidate for president in 2024 -- was circumspect in discussing the root causes of the threat: carbon released into the atmosphere by automobile and industry. Petrochemical and coal companies have been heavy donors to his party. “What we’re doing though is just reacting to the fact that OK, we’re a flood-prone state,” DeSantis said. “We do have storms."

I've seen it suggested that Tucker Carlson's interview with Nigel Farage, in which Carlson suggests that covid is somehow feminising and saps the life force, is an attempt to contrive a non-scientific excuse for Carlson's audience to get vaccinated. Lest they all die of covid and leave him broke. I bring this up to wonder if, at some point, something similar will happen with climate change. At some point the deniers will be forced to contrive some reason to immediately abandon fossil fuels, something somehow unrelated to climate change. Maybe coal will make you gay.

I guess this helps? On one hand it’s unscientific and incredibly false. On the other hand though we need people to get vaccinated and I guess whatever gets them do that is a good idea. I’m actually torn on this.

[Cannot think of a name]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) begrudgingly notices that Florida is going underwater, but stresses it isn't about climate change and the state's response won't include any "left-wing stuff"

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Tuesday backed a statewide plan to deal with rising seas, but promised that the millions of spending wouldn’t go for “any left-wing stuff.”

DeSantis, whose state is intensely vulnerable, used the occasion to drive home that he doesn’t like the term “global warming,” even though the scientifically proven phenomenon threatens the cities that are the centers of Florida’s population and economy. The plan, announced in Oldsmar, near Tampa, would spend more than $270 million on flood mitigation. It comes after the governor signed a $640 million “climate resilience” plan this year, but experts say adaptation could be many orders of magnitude more expensive. At the event, DeSantis’s Secretary of Environmental Protection, Shawn Hamilton, called the Sunshine State “ground zero for the impacts of sea-level rise.”

DeSantis himself -- seen as a potential Republican candidate for president in 2024 -- was circumspect in discussing the root causes of the threat: carbon released into the atmosphere by automobile and industry. Petrochemical and coal companies have been heavy donors to his party. “What we’re doing though is just reacting to the fact that OK, we’re a flood-prone state,” DeSantis said. “We do have storms."

I've seen it suggested that Tucker Carlson's interview with Nigel Farage, in which Carlson suggests that covid is somehow feminising and saps the life force, is an attempt to contrive a non-scientific excuse for Carlson's audience to get vaccinated. Lest they all die of covid and leave him broke. I bring this up to wonder if, at some point, something similar will happen with climate change. At some point the deniers will be forced to contrive some reason to immediately abandon fossil fuels, something somehow unrelated to climate change. Maybe coal will make you gay.

I mean, there's a built in excuse though at the mo' it's used to destroy our own environment for a few drops more: We have to buy all that oil from 'dem terrorists'. 'You can give your money every week to dem der terrorists or you can run your car on good ol' 'merican made eee-lect-tricity like a fookin patriot.'