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Should dogs continue to be used in law enforcement?

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Utquiagvik
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Postby Utquiagvik » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:08 pm

They have good sniffing skills, can run quickly and can fit into spaces that human officers cannot. Its not really cruel, since they actually take care of the dogs. The dogs also likely do not mind working with the police, since they like doing things like sniffing scents and running.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:18 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:Police uses dogs because they wouldn't hire me sheep.


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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:20 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Police uses dogs because they wouldn't hire me sheep.


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Either you already had an image of a police sheep, or you actively searched for one. Both possibilities concern me.
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Postby Free Ravensburg » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:21 pm

Doggos are better at detecting drugs than hugh man
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Postby Mtwara » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:31 pm

Police dogs do a lot of different jobs. The ones I used to work with were trained to sniff for bombs, and they were pretty good at it, too.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:40 pm

American Legionaries wrote:


Either you already had an image of a police sheep, or you actively searched for one. Both possibilities concern me.

Even sheep like donuts.
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Postby The Kingdom of The Three Isles » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:45 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Police uses dogs because they wouldn't hire me sheep.


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Postby Cameroi » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:49 pm

we use dogs because cats aren't into all that hierarchy stuff.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:03 pm

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:Assuming that the facts are indeed as they are presented, then yes I’d be in favour of removing dogs from law enforcement.

Violence as wielded by the state is an inherently sensitive issue, simply because its such a dominant force from which there’s basically no recourse. Consequently I’m firmly of the opinion that for any state institution that uses violence, society is better off if they go for high specificity over high sensitivity nine times out of ten.

That goes double when that society is at peace and facing no great threat to its stability, and doubled yet again when we’re talking about civil law enforcement intended to be used against people within the state society using the violence.

Something with a 50+ percent false positive rate shouldn’t constitute “probable cause” for a search.

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We're talking bout sniffer doggies who can help track missing persons and copious amounts of community/life harming substances. Help maim bad types like rapists and fugitives in high intensity situations.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:00 pm

If I saw a cop with a dog, I'd definitely surrender instantly, no question about it.
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Dogs are useful in law enforcement for a few reasons, quickly finding drugs and explosives being two of them.

We have worked dogs, since they were domesticated. Not really seeing why police work should be exempted.

Drug sniffer dogs used by law enforcement are notorious for their false positive rates- well above 50% in many situations across the board. WIth false positives for explosives the statistics aren't that fleshed out, but NBC has some fascinating information on how they fail in that department too.

See, this is the problem with any criticism of law enforcement... it always gets one mistaken for a criminal even when what law enforcement is doing isn't particularly effective at stopping / deterring crime.

What we really need is to tackle the root causes of crime first, then ease up on the heavy-handed emphasis on law enforcement later. If we do them in the reverse order and heavy-handed law enforcement turns out to be the only thing holding crime back in the meantime, the consequences of loosening this would be forever held against those advocating addressing the root causes of crime. :/

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Postby Vikanias » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:03 pm

Dogs are good boys and girls and have done great services to all nations. RIP to the fallen dog homies.

Also I’m mixed, dogs are a great use in police work but I don’t wanna see any of them getting hurt.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:26 pm

Dogs provide a lot of good services for police and security, if you don't like it, go pound sand.

Hemakral wrote:
Jabberwocky wrote:Animal abuse? The dogs are having fun.

What if they get shot?

They have healthcare just like regular police officers.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:27 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Police uses dogs because they wouldn't hire me sheep.


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Well done.
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Either you already had an image of a police sheep, or you actively searched for one. Both possibilities concern me.


Quickly doing an image search for a joke isn't anything unusual.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:29 pm

Oh I don’t know. An aggressive police dog has my attention. Better then the cop pulling his weapon.

As to how they are used? That’s the handler rather the concept.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:32 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:Dogs provide a lot of good services for police and security, if you don't like it, go pound sand.

Hemakral wrote:What if they get shot?

They have healthcare just like regular police officers.

They get a little page on Officer Down describing how they were shot by their handlers while attempting to detain a suspect.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Dogs provide a lot of good services for police and security, if you don't like it, go pound sand.


They have healthcare just like regular police officers.

They get a little page on Officer Down describing how they were shot by their handlers while attempting to detain a suspect.

Except handlers are likely trained not to shoot when a dog is detaining a suspect, so I don't know where you're getting your info.
Police dogs are expensive to train, and a police officer trained in dog handling is not going to shoot the dog that could have taken thousands of dollars to train, and would require forcing them to desk duty because they're shot their partner.

It's the same reason that, despite what Hollywood movies would like you to believe, cops aren't trained to use their police cars as demolition derby machines.

If a police dog is shot by another cop it's usually by an officer who doesn't have that training and think that the suspect is about to escape.
Or they think the police dog is simply a suspects dog, or the police dog mistakes the other officer as the suspect.

But from what I've seen, most of the time if a police dog is injured or killed in the line of duty it's either by a suspect, or by a cop that isn't their handler.

The few exceptions I see are if the police dog turns on the handler, which happens and usually reveals that said person isn't fit to be a handler in the first place.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:33 pm

they're more effective than cats
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:40 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:they're more effective than cats


Are they? Cat’s will get you when you least expect it. Why do you think we have so many unsolved murders?
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Postby Free Ravensburg » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:they're more effective than cats


Are they? Cat’s will get you when you least expect it. Why do you think we have so many unsolved murders?

Are you suggesting that a cat is the zodiac killer?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:45 pm

Free Ravensburg wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are they? Cat’s will get you when you least expect it. Why do you think we have so many unsolved murders?

Are you suggesting that a cat is the zodiac killer?


If I answered that; my cat would get me.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:27 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:they're more effective than cats


Are they? Cat’s will get you when you least expect it. Why do you think we have so many unsolved murders?

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Postby Vikanias » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:32 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are they? Cat’s will get you when you least expect it. Why do you think we have so many unsolved murders?

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Postby Page » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:36 pm

Look, I'm an anarchist and honestly most of the time I'm rooting for the criminals but honestly, you can't call it abuse, to the dogs it's just a game. Dogs need stimulation , police dogs might be happier than the dogs of people who just laze around the house all day.
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