MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Forsher]

Unclear. Probably post-Blip because

Bruce is de-Hulked and his arm's in a sling. However, it's not shrivelled, which is either an author's saving throw or a suggestion that the sling's a coincidence and it's mid-Blip, just before the gamma chamber.

doesn't Katy mention people disappearing for 5 years?

She mentions that half the world's population disappeared but as far as I remember she does not mention that they have come back. Given that the plot of the film resolves around the prospect that a dead person might not be dead, you would think that would come up but Katy just talks about the dragon eye sequence instead. I still lean towards "about the same time as Far From Home, personally".

[Cannot think of a name]

If it was during the Blip then Wong would have brought Shang Chi along for the final battle in Endgame. It seems long enough after the blip that things aren't total chaos anymore like in WandaVision and Falcon & the Winter Soldier. Wong seems to be 'running things' sort of, and looks likes he's going to Kamar Taj when he warns I-guess-not-dark-Doctor Strange tries to help Peter Parker out, so I'm guessing parallel to Spider-man's problems. The whole thing only spans a week...maybe a moment before Mysterio starts faking the Elementals attack...or, just people in San Francisco don't give a fuck or at the very least don't feel the need to talk about it. I mean, even when the state is on fire we don't wedge it into every conversation, we mostly just go on with our lives. So it could be happening and just not come up. There's a lot of weird shit that just happens in the MCU that eventually it has to become just background noise.

Did you hear that a big ass marble monster thing just appeared near some islands? What was that about?

Fuck if I know...some water creature attacked Venice...that kid from Sekovia that blew up a building I guess in Lagos went batshit on a town in New Jersey. Shits nuts, who has the time to keep up? Apparently all those explosions in the sky over south America in the 90s was Captain Marvel returning to earth...shit's exhausting.

Hulk is still Smart Hulk in the sizzle reel with She Hulk, so either the de-Hulking happens during that and Shang Chi happens after that or while Captain Marvel is beaming in, Wong is astral projecting Bruce in which projects him as Bruce Wayne and not the Hulk like when the Ancient One and Bruce negotiated for the Time Stone.

Oh, wait...they give a specific date because of when Ta Lo becomes accessible, April 4 2024...at least according to this guy. So by their math 6 months after Endgame, two months before Far From Home.

I'm not gonna die on this hill, I wouldn't have posted at all except I've been spending way to much energy trying to figure it out myself.

[Eahland]

Disney+'s "Timeline Order" puts Shang-Chi last, after Endgame and all of the Disney+ series to date (with Falcon and the Winter Soldier being chronologically the last of those).

[Forsher]

I mean, the specific date thing's convincing enough.

But I wouldn't put too much stock in post credits scenes for dating purpose. We still don't know when "Fine, I'll do it myself" actually happened. If it wasn't for that date, it'd just be a sort of "Wong learns Shang-Chi has the Rings after the final battle".

(I mean, Wong does say that "the first time you used the rings, we felt it in Kamar-Taj" but that doesn't mean he knows Shang-Chi's not a bad guy. Or, alternatively, for some reason Wenwu's use of the rings wasn't picked up by them. Maybe it was literally the first time only. Maybe the Rings feel differently about Shang-Chi and his dad. Lots of options.)

The Astral projection thing doesn't make sense to me because Bruce looks the same as Carol. And when he "hangs up" he has the same kind of "static" effect Carol did, too.

She-Hulk's timeline has a portals problem, too, unless Bruce (a) fixes the arm thing, (b) specifically makes sure Jennifer's Hulk is a secret or (c) retcon (where it'll be revealed that Jen was portalled in). Why? Because Brulk has two functional arms in that footage. Personally, I'm hoping for (a). I mean, that would also mean more Brulk (boo! hiss!) but the possibility of doing more interesting (immortal) Hulk stuff is preserved that way.

[Tarsonis]

Boom. Definitive proof. Time Stamp 14:22, Poster on the left says "Post Blip Anxiety?"

[Forsher]

Boom. Definitive proof. Time Stamp 14:22, Poster on the left says "Post Blip Anxiety?"

I guess you could say... we were looking for this.

[Alvecia]

One thing I remember noting when trying to place the timeline was that

Captain Marvel had her hair long again after cutting it for Endgame. So it being post blip I guess she just grew it out again?

[HC Eredivisie]

Got back from Eternals. It was okay. Had some definite flaws, like an assload of exposition and a villain with all the entertainment value of a lecture on corn, but it was okay. Put it somewhere in the low middle. Good cast helped out.

I had a feeling from the get-go Robb Stark was gonna be a turncoat...or technically not a turncoat, a loyalist. But still.

As for the after credit scenes...yeah, totally lost on both of those.

Google tells me the second one sets up Blade: https://www.cnet.com/news/marvels-etern ... explained/

[Cannot think of a name]

whatever a Spider can

[Forsher]

whatever a Spider can

They all died fighting Spider-Man is actually a great concept.

And "you're not Peter Parker" encapsulated in a single line why I would rather not have Garfield and Maguire's versions in this; Holland's version doesn't have any connection with these characters so you're basically inserting eight (Otto, Electro, Goblin, Sandman, Lizard and Stephen) new relationships to develop (yes, there's a few scenes with Stephen and Peter in IW but that doesn't count) into the film. Add in the existing supporting cast and that's a problem.

The humour in this trailer is awful, though. Which is weird because the previous two films were legitimately funny and had good trailer humour.

[Great Algerstonia]

That trailer has me disappointed, I feel like they are revealing too much.

[HC Eredivisie]

whatever a Spider can

They all died fighting Spider-Man is actually a great concept.

Sandman didn't die, Spider-man let him go and technically Otto died fighting with Spider-man but that doesn't really matter.

I like it and having five of the Sinister Six makes me think we'll get to see another in the movie (hmm, Topher grace Venom getting eaten by Tom Hardy Venom)

[Cannot think of a name]

Also, Hit Monkey is on Hulu now. Pretty faithful, oddly, including being graphically violent and flippant about it.

[Ameriganastan]

Hmm...

[Vassenor]

Ah so we’re clutching at straws because the trailer didn’t explicitly confirm team up I see.

[HC Eredivisie]

Hmm...

I cannot ssee that happening in the actual trailer :/

After thinking about it, maybe the Scooby Gang needs help defeating the Sinister Five so they get other Spider-men or they tell Tom/Spider-man that they didn't kill their villians but it was their own fault.

And what are they planning anyway? They don't really have anyone they'd want to bring into the MCU as they work alone and it's not the Spider-man they should be taking revenge on. I guess it's a kill all Spider-men kind of thing.

Ah so we’re clutching at straws because the trailer didn’t explicitly confirm team up I see.

Hi, you'll be back 17-12 I guess?

[Vassenor]

Hmm...

I cannot ssee that happening in the actual trailer :/

After thinking about it, maybe the Scooby Gang needs help defeating the Sinister Five so they get other Spider-men or they tell Tom/Spider-man that they didn't kill their villians but it was their own fault.

And what are they planning anyway? They don't really have anyone they'd want to bring into the MCU as they work alone and it's not the Spider-man they should be taking revenge on. I guess it's a kill all Spider-men kind of thing.

Ah so we’re clutching at straws because the trailer didn’t explicitly confirm team up I see.

Hi, you'll be back 17-12 I guess?

I don’t recall saying it would never happen. Just that we’ve had no evidence of it so far. The fact people have resorted to faking videos of it doesn’t help.

[Pasong Tirad]

whatever a Spider can

Hypppeeeee let's goooo

too bad I might not be able to watch this until January.

Ah so we’re clutching at straws because the trailer didn’t explicitly confirm team up I see.

You know you can just let people enjoy things.

(and then you'll respond "oH wHeRe dId i sAy YoU cAn'T sPeCuLaTe????")

[Vassenor]

whatever a Spider can

Hypppeeeee let's goooo

too bad I might not be able to watch this until January.

Ah so we’re clutching at straws because the trailer didn’t explicitly confirm team up I see.

You know you can just let people enjoy things.

(and then you'll respond "oH wHeRe dId i sAy YoU cAn'T sPeCuLaTe????")

No, just commenting on the people who were convinced this was going to 100% confirm it.

[HC Eredivisie]

The fact people have resorted to faking videos of it doesn’t help.

Do you have a source for that?

No, just commenting on the people who were convinced this was going to 100% confirm it.

That's the only thing you post here. You could talk about what the Sinister Five's actual plan is, that's fun we see them all together, how this will affect the rest of the MCU or that Doc apparantly felt the need to paint his arms red instead of yelllow in Spider-man 2 but you don't.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I didnt think they would bring that many villains into the movie, its honestly surprising. Im guessing only one or two (Definitely Octavius) will be in the movie for a lot and get actual development and the others will show up towards the end or something for the final fight. Hoping the other one is the Green Goblin, i need my Willem Dafoe fix Marvel, i needs it.

Also im interested in how they are gona handle them too given Strange says they all die fighting Spiderman so will Holland's Parker be forced to kill some of them or do they end up getting pushed back to their own realities were they die any way. Also how he seems to be fighting Strange for part of the movie over not wanting to do it, its an interesting idea.

Ah well, lets see what happens when the movie comes out

[The Huskar Social Union]

Guys, here is how its still Mephisto

[Pasong Tirad]

I cannot ssee that happening in the actual trailer :/

After thinking about it, maybe the Scooby Gang needs help defeating the Sinister Five so they get other Spider-men or they tell Tom/Spider-man that they didn't kill their villians but it was their own fault.

And what are they planning anyway? They don't really have anyone they'd want to bring into the MCU as they work alone and it's not the Spider-man they should be taking revenge on. I guess it's a kill all Spider-men kind of thing.

Hi, you'll be back 17-12 I guess?

I don’t recall saying it would never happen. Just that we’ve had no evidence of it so far. The fact people have resorted to faking videos of it doesn’t help.

Also, look, I don't know what's actually going on in the trailer but if you bothered to spend maybe more than just a few seconds Googling you'd have found out that the frames in question are from a Brazilian version of the trailer. The relevant frames at the 0:55 mark, and you'll notice that this is the official account of Sony Pictures Brazil. Twitter check mark and everything.

Again, idk what this is supposed to prove, if anything, but to claim that folks are just "clutching at straws" and resorting to "faking videos" is... just... not cool?

And, I mean, come on. It's not like this isn't the first time Marvel cut out stuff from their trailers to not spoil stuff. Spider-Man got removed from some of the first Civil War trailers, the Hulk was put into Infinity War trailers, etc. etc. It's not too far fetched for folks to speculate that things may have been added or removed from the trailers.

[HC Eredivisie]

Ah well, lets see what happens when the movie comes out

Madness.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ah well, lets see what happens when the movie comes out

Madness.

Madness you say?