where did i say china was a paradise? i don't think it's without flaws, i just said i'd rather live there than in america. plus i've lived in utah for years, i'm no stranger to air pollution.
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by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:44 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:48 pm
Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Pointing out that there are shitty regimes elsewhere while people literally choke to death in your alleged "socialist" "paradise" doesn't help your case.
where did i say china was a paradise? i don't think it's without flaws, i just said i'd rather live there than in america. plus i've lived in utah for years, i'm no stranger to air pollution.
by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:50 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:where did i say china was a paradise? i don't think it's without flaws, i just said i'd rather live there than in america. plus i've lived in utah for years, i'm no stranger to air pollution.
Eh, China's run by assholes who when they get fucked, will proceed to fuck everyone else. When China should have locked down it's airports and borders, they instead pushed people to leaving China to help spread the virus. To put it simply, China is the reason covid got out of control in the first place. Rather than kissing up to China, you honestly look to them as a threat.
by South Reinkalistan » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:53 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:where did i say china was a paradise? i don't think it's without flaws, i just said i'd rather live there than in america. plus i've lived in utah for years, i'm no stranger to air pollution.
Eh, China's run by assholes who when they get fucked, will proceed to fuck everyone else. When China should have locked down it's airports and borders, they instead pushed people to leaving China to help spread the virus. To put it simply, China is the reason covid got out of control in the first place. Rather than kissing up to China, you honestly look to them as a threat.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:54 pm
Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:Eh, China's run by assholes who when they get fucked, will proceed to fuck everyone else. When China should have locked down it's airports and borders, they instead pushed people to leaving China to help spread the virus. To put it simply, China is the reason covid got out of control in the first place. Rather than kissing up to China, you honestly look to them as a threat.
no to all of this
by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:54 pm
South Reinkalistan wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:Eh, China's run by assholes who when they get fucked, will proceed to fuck everyone else. When China should have locked down it's airports and borders, they instead pushed people to leaving China to help spread the virus. To put it simply, China is the reason covid got out of control in the first place. Rather than kissing up to China, you honestly look to them as a threat.
is there any hard evidence of a conspiracy in china to spread the virus worldwide
if not then i think you're talking out of your arse
by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:55 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:no to all of this
You can deny the facts all you want. But this did happen. The US was to busy at the time debating whether or not it'd be racist to close travel with china. They kept them open and the United States failed as did the rest of the world failed to close their borders at that time.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:01 pm
South Reinkalistan wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:Eh, China's run by assholes who when they get fucked, will proceed to fuck everyone else. When China should have locked down it's airports and borders, they instead pushed people to leaving China to help spread the virus. To put it simply, China is the reason covid got out of control in the first place. Rather than kissing up to China, you honestly look to them as a threat.
is there any hard evidence of a conspiracy in china to spread the virus worldwide
if not then i think you're talking out of your arse
Since Chinese officials disclosed the outbreak of a mysterious pneumonialike illness to international health officials on New Year’s Eve, at least 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after President Trump imposed restrictions on such travel, according to an analysis of data collected in both countries.
The bulk of the passengers, who were of multiple nationalities, arrived in January, at airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, Newark and Detroit. Thousands of them flew directly from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, as American public health officials were only beginning to assess the risks to the United States.
by UIS Leviathan » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:06 pm
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by UIS Leviathan » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:10 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:South Reinkalistan wrote:is there any hard evidence of a conspiracy in china to spread the virus worldwide
if not then i think you're talking out of your arse
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... tml?espv=1
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by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:18 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:South Reinkalistan wrote:is there any hard evidence of a conspiracy in china to spread the virus worldwide
if not then i think you're talking out of your arse
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... tml?espv=1Since Chinese officials disclosed the outbreak of a mysterious pneumonialike illness to international health officials on New Year’s Eve, at least 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after President Trump imposed restrictions on such travel, according to an analysis of data collected in both countries.
The bulk of the passengers, who were of multiple nationalities, arrived in January, at airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, Newark and Detroit. Thousands of them flew directly from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, as American public health officials were only beginning to assess the risks to the United States.
That's a fuckton of people to export during a pandemic crisis. While the Chinese government would pay you lip service and say some worthless shit. Their actions speak louder than words.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:23 pm
UIS Leviathan wrote:
paywalled, source immediately discarded
from what i could gleem it says from the start of the covid outbreak
So obviously there's going to be a lot of travel, it took awhile before anyone did anything. There's quite a lot of travel between the US and China, I don't see how that proves the chinese government maliciously spread a pandemic
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:25 pm
Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... tml?espv=1
That's a fuckton of people to export during a pandemic crisis. While the Chinese government would pay you lip service and say some worthless shit. Their actions speak louder than words.
china was kicking out foreigners who would be likely to contract and spread more of the disease if they stayed? i don't know why that doesn't click for you??
by UIS Leviathan » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:26 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:UIS Leviathan wrote:paywalled, source immediately discarded
from what i could gleem it says from the start of the covid outbreak
So obviously there's going to be a lot of travel, it took awhile before anyone did anything. There's quite a lot of travel between the US and China, I don't see how that proves the chinese government maliciously spread a pandemic
People usually use incognito to bypass it. My phone's browser seems to bypass it outright.
As for travel restrictions. They were aware of it's existence pretty early on and failed to efficiently or quickly lock down the border.
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by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:31 pm
UIS Leviathan wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:People usually use incognito to bypass it. My phone's browser seems to bypass it outright.
As for travel restrictions. They were aware of it's existence pretty early on and failed to efficiently or quickly lock down the border.
didn’t the US only lock down borders a few months in
maybe the US government was purposely letting them in
by UIS Leviathan » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:57 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:UIS Leviathan wrote:didn’t the US only lock down borders a few months in
maybe the US government was purposely letting them in
I remember the decision getting criticism because "closing off china is racist." But ultimately America is as responsible failing to react as China is. I just personally believe China who had more information available to them at the time had the more informed decision, then the US.
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by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:06 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:china was kicking out foreigners who would be likely to contract and spread more of the disease if they stayed? i don't know why that doesn't click for you??
You don't export diseased patients, even if they are foreigners. You quarantine them. If you have a potentially dangerous disease the last thing you want to do is transport potential carriers.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:38 pm
UIS Leviathan wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:I remember the decision getting criticism because "closing off china is racist." But ultimately America is as responsible failing to react as China is. I just personally believe China who had more information available to them at the time had the more informed decision, then the US.
Well that’s what the media said I highly doubt the 80 year old white assholes that run this shithole care about being mildly racist
Delays were more realistically because of monetary reasons rather than China wanting to spread a virus or the US government (and majority of US citizens) thinking it’s actually racist
Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:You don't export diseased patients, even if they are foreigners. You quarantine them. If you have a potentially dangerous disease the last thing you want to do is transport potential carriers.
americans in wuhan were quarantined when cases started spreading, as i recall.
by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:43 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:59 pm
by Ispravlennaja Tsekovija » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:04 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:what the fuck are you talking about? i can't even parse this sentence it's so grammatically nonstandard
You stated past tense that there potentially infected Americans were in quarantine. Taking them out of quarantine and sending them to America, is stupid if you haven't confirmed they have covid or not. It's better off to keep them in quarantine where they can't spread covid.
Essentially what I am saying China failed rule #1 of quarantine. Keep the infected quarantined.
by Filipinn » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:25 pm
Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:You stated past tense that there potentially infected Americans were in quarantine. Taking them out of quarantine and sending them to America, is stupid if you haven't confirmed they have covid or not. It's better off to keep them in quarantine where they can't spread covid.
Essentially what I am saying China failed rule #1 of quarantine. Keep the infected quarantined.
jesus christ they would have been quarantined until they were safe to go. genuinely don't understand how you would be so sinophobic that you could come to a different conclusion just solely out of raw hatred for their country and people
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:35 pm
Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:You stated past tense that there potentially infected Americans were in quarantine. Taking them out of quarantine and sending them to America, is stupid if you haven't confirmed they have covid or not. It's better off to keep them in quarantine where they can't spread covid.
Essentially what I am saying China failed rule #1 of quarantine. Keep the infected quarantined.
jesus christ they would have been quarantined until they were safe to go. genuinely don't understand how you would be so sinophobic that you could come to a different conclusion just solely out of raw hatred for their country and people
jesus christ they would have been quarantined until they were safe to go.
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Holy Tedalonia wrote:Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:jesus christ they would have been quarantined until they were safe to go. genuinely don't understand how you would be so sinophobic that you could come to a different conclusion just solely out of raw hatred for their country and people
Lets get one thing clear, I'm not sinophobic, I'm CCP-phobic.
Taiwan and Hong Kong are great places and they are Chinese.
So don't use the bitch ass excuse of "oh you sinophobe" to discredit a person's opinion. It's a cowardly and pathetic tactic that only shows how far your willing to stoop to "win" a conversation.
I've carefully expressed my displeasure with the Chinese government, never the people because I know it's truly the government that's at fault, not the people. The CCP and it alone is where I hold my hatred.
jesus christ they would have been quarantined until they were safe to go.
And look where trusting the CCP handling this got us. A 2 year long covid pandemic. The moment word of this got out. The US and the whole world as well should have cut travel, but human greed got the better of them.
It's a authoritarian regime mate, they have little to hold them accountable, which allows to use such questionable actions.
by Filipinn » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:54 pm
Ispravlennaja Tsekovija wrote:did you really just call a woman a bitch for having the wrong opinions? it's not the 1950s anymore, chauvinist
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