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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:54 am

South Olpen wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:Douglas Jones: Then I'm afraid what Congress and the US government will do is out of my hands and out of my reach. I can only negotiate and represent my country here what happens back in Washington is unknown. And one thing you need to get out of your head is that:
‘‘America is trying to interfere.’’ This is a NATO matter not a matter of an individual country. And the sovereignty of NATO members is at stake here not the interests of a particular nation.

Col. Herbert: I have word that we negotiated a treaty with Vikanias.


OOC: I'll get back to ya buddy after meal.
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:51 am

Meretica wrote:Roy Davis (Federalist, President-elect): "This would not be a NATO matter if America had not decided to make it one. Meretica will not acknowledge any attempt that America takes to negotiate a 'deal' with Vikanias-- and that comes not from the Senate, but directly from me. You can assume that Mr. Biden's invitation to my inauguration has been lost in the mail. Until American interference in our affairs ends, Meretica will be withdrawing from NATO effective immediately. Good day."

Mr. Davis leaves the room, slamming the door behind him.


Douglas Jones: Mr. President didn't have any intentions to attend the inauguration anyway. And as far as Meretica membership is concerned we don't remember any contributions made by Meretica. New Kowloon Bay, Eclius, Free Metropolitan France, Vikanias and some others are the only members so far to contribute to this alliance so far other than original North Atlantic Allies. So it doesn't make any difference whether Meretic stays or leaves its equal. Your resignation is accepted and I, Douglas Jones the US representative to Nato, using the veto power of Nato hereby suspends and permanently expel the Meretica from this alliance.
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:52 am

South Olpen wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:Douglas Jones: Then I'm afraid what Congress and the US government will do is out of my hands and out of my reach. I can only negotiate and represent my country here what happens back in Washington is unknown. And one thing you need to get out of your head is that:
‘‘America is trying to interfere.’’ This is a NATO matter not a matter of an individual country. And the sovereignty of NATO members is at stake here not the interests of a particular nation.

Col. Herbert: I have word that we negotiated a treaty with Vikanias.


Douglas Jones: So what is the conclusion of the treaty and what are the terms?
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Postby New Kowloon Bay » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:58 am

It seems that Meretica has withdrawn their membership from NATO. I wonder if this will affect the power of NATO in any way.

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Postby Meretica » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:02 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
Meretica wrote:Roy Davis (Federalist, President-elect): "This would not be a NATO matter if America had not decided to make it one. Meretica will not acknowledge any attempt that America takes to negotiate a 'deal' with Vikanias-- and that comes not from the Senate, but directly from me. You can assume that Mr. Biden's invitation to my inauguration has been lost in the mail. Until American interference in our affairs ends, Meretica will be withdrawing from NATO effective immediately. Good day."

Mr. Davis leaves the room, slamming the door behind him.


Douglas Jones: Mr. President didn't have any intentions to attend the inauguration anyway. And as far as Meretica membership is concerned we don't remember any contributions made by Meretica. New Kowloon Bay, Eclius, Free Metropolitan France, Vikanias and some others are the only members so far to contribute to this alliance so far other than original North Atlantic Allies. So it doesn't make any difference whether Meretic stays or leaves its equal. Your resignation is accepted and I, Douglas Jones the US representative to Nato, using the veto power of Nato hereby suspends and permanently expel the Meretica from this alliance.
Unfortunately, diplomatic relations don't work with emotionality rather with rationality. We offer you the best of luck on the path you have chosen.

OOC: Actually, it doesn't work that way. Basically, I'm still "in" NATO for a calendar year, I just won't show up to meetings. I'm citing the Withdrawal Clause for this as there is no legal way to forcibly expel a member of NATO, even with the veto power in place.

After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.

-From Article XIII of the NATO Charter.
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:07 am

Meretica wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:
Douglas Jones: Mr. President didn't have any intentions to attend the inauguration anyway. And as far as Meretica membership is concerned we don't remember any contributions made by Meretica. New Kowloon Bay, Eclius, Free Metropolitan France, Vikanias and some others are the only members so far to contribute to this alliance so far other than original North Atlantic Allies. So it doesn't make any difference whether Meretic stays or leaves its equal. Your resignation is accepted and I, Douglas Jones the US representative to Nato, using the veto power of Nato hereby suspends and permanently expel the Meretica from this alliance.
Unfortunately, diplomatic relations don't work with emotionality rather with rationality. We offer you the best of luck on the path you have chosen.

OOC: Actually, it doesn't work that way. Basically, I'm still "in" NATO for a calendar year, I just won't show up to meetings. I'm citing the Withdrawal Clause for this as there is no legal way to forcibly expel a member of NATO, even with the veto power in place.

After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.

-From Article XIII of the NATO Charter.


OOC: unfortunately, you're not eligible for this article anymore. As you have previously broken the Article 1 and 4 I wonder why are you bringing this now?
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Postby Meretica » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:10 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
Meretica wrote:OOC: Actually, it doesn't work that way. Basically, I'm still "in" NATO for a calendar year, I just won't show up to meetings. I'm citing the Withdrawal Clause for this as there is no legal way to forcibly expel a member of NATO, even with the veto power in place.

After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.

-From Article XIII of the NATO Charter.


OOC: unfortunately, you're not eligible for this article anymore. As you have previously broken the Article 1 and 4 I wonder why are you bringing this now?

OOC: Actually, I still am eligible because I'm technically a member for one calendar year more. It's literally not possible to expel a nation, which means the US is violating the charter that it's illegal expelling another nation from. It applies to Meretica until that calendar year is up. I'm just not sending a representative during that calendar year.
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:12 am

Meretica wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:
OOC: unfortunately, you're not eligible for this article anymore. As you have previously broken the Article 1 and 4 I wonder why are you bringing this now?

OOC: Actually, I still am eligible because I'm technically a member for one calendar year more. It's literally not possible to expel a nation, which means the US is violating the charter that it's illegal expelling another nation from. It applies to Meretica until that calendar year is up. I'm just not sending a representative during that calendar year.

OOC: You can stay for one year, yeah I know. But that's it after that you shall be on your way and this alliance on its own.
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Postby Meretica » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:14 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
Meretica wrote:OOC: Actually, I still am eligible because I'm technically a member for one calendar year more. It's literally not possible to expel a nation, which means the US is violating the charter that it's illegal expelling another nation from. It applies to Meretica until that calendar year is up. I'm just not sending a representative during that calendar year.

OOC: You can stay for one year, yeah I know. But that's it after that you shall be on your way and this alliance on its own.

OOC: Then you need to amend your posts, or at least your wording. The NATO Charter still technically applies for that calendar year, meaning that most of what was said in the Multiverse Affairs is null & void until that year is up (so, March 2036).
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:17 am

Meretica wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:OOC: You can stay for one year, yeah I know. But that's it after that you shall be on your way and this alliance on its own.

OOC: Then you need to amend your posts, or at least your wording. The NATO Charter still technically applies for that calendar year, meaning that most of what was said in the Multiverse Affairs is null & void until that year is up (so, March 2036).

OOC: You should have followed the charter when you took some decisions nevertheless you're considered an observer kind of member with still some obligations to fulfil.
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Postby New Kowloon Bay » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:19 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
Meretica wrote:OOC: Then you need to amend your posts, or at least your wording. The NATO Charter still technically applies for that calendar year, meaning that most of what was said in the Multiverse Affairs is null & void until that year is up (so, March 2036).

OOC: You should have followed the charter when you took some decisions nevertheless you're considered an observer kind of member with still some obligations to fulfil.

So Meretica has resigned?

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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:20 am

New Kowloon Bay wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:OOC: You should have followed the charter when you took some decisions nevertheless you're considered an observer kind of member with still some obligations to fulfil.

So Meretica has resigned?

OOC: It has.
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Postby Meretica » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:22 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
Meretica wrote:OOC: Then you need to amend your posts, or at least your wording. The NATO Charter still technically applies for that calendar year, meaning that most of what was said in the Multiverse Affairs is null & void until that year is up (so, March 2036).

OOC: You should have followed the charter when you took some decisions nevertheless you're considered an observer kind of member with still some obligations to fulfil.

OOC: This means that you still have to correct your posts-- and per the Charter, I'm technically still a full member, but I have the right to refuse to send a delegation. I will not allow Mr. Jones to turn himself into a hypocrite.

New Kowloon Bay wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:OOC: You should have followed the charter when you took some decisions nevertheless you're considered an observer kind of member with still some obligations to fulfil.

So Meretica has resigned?

OOC: Meretica has given the one calendar year notice of withdrawal. During that one calendar year, per the Charter, I remain a full member of NATO with the same rights and duties as before. Consider it my two weeks notice but on a larger scale.
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:28 am

ZN reps arrive as tensions in SO rise. "Hello everyone ZN has officially joined NATO as a Member-State. I thankyou for allowing us to your great pact."
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:28 am

Meretica wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:OOC: You should have followed the charter when you took some decisions nevertheless you're considered an observer kind of member with still some obligations to fulfil.

OOC: This means that you still have to correct your posts-- and per the Charter, I'm technically still a full member, but I have the right to refuse to send a delegation. I will not allow Mr. Jones to turn himself into a hypocrite.

New Kowloon Bay wrote:So Meretica has resigned?

OOC: Meretica has given the one calendar year notice of withdrawal. During that one calendar year, per the Charter, I remain a full member of NATO with the same rights and duties as before. Consider it my two weeks notice but on a larger scale.

OOC: Yeah, yeah. It's just a matter of two weeks. After that, we're done for.
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:30 am

Zarnicovia nova wrote:ZN reps arrive as tensions in SO rise. "Hello everyone ZN has officially joined NATO as a Member-State. I thankyou for allowing us to your great pact."

*Douglas Jones proceeds to shake hands with his counterpart and showing him/her seat to sit while saying:
Douglas Jones: Welcome To Brussels!! It's great to have you with us. How're things back in Zarnicovia Nova?
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Postby South Olpen » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:34 am

Col. Herbert: We would like to invoke Article 4 of the NATO charter. We are being hit with nuclear weapons by a foreign hostile power.
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The Blaatschapen wrote:They could serve as a distraction.

Of course, in modern combat, that's what the French are for.


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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:36 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
Zarnicovia nova wrote:ZN reps arrive as tensions in SO rise. "Hello everyone ZN has officially joined NATO as a Member-State. I thankyou for allowing us to your great pact."

*Douglas Jones proceeds to shake hands with his counterpart and showing him/her seat to sit while saying:
Douglas Jones: Welcome To Brussels!! It's great to have you with us. How're things back in Zarnicovia Nova?

(It's Zarnicovia nova. nova is not capitolized because novia is for everyone else but the Zarnicovians and making them look like equal with their overlords is unacceptable basically.)
"Not the best but that's not saying much. Political voilence Poltical voilence but it's mostly done right now but elections are begining and tension with our neighbor Cavirfi are also increasing tho I would say our politicians are mainly to blame their. disputes over some islands and territorial water."
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:37 am

South Olpen wrote:Col. Herbert: We would like to invoke Article 4 of the NATO charter. We are being hit with nuclear weapons by a foreign hostile power.

Duglas Jones: Article 4:
‘‘The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.’’
Has been invoked.
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:40 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
South Olpen wrote:Col. Herbert: We would like to invoke Article 4 of the NATO charter. We are being hit with nuclear weapons by a foreign hostile power.

Duglas Jones: Article 4:
‘‘The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.’’
Has been invoked.

"This is ackward since we are supporting them... Fine but we are only attacking that one we'll coutinue support of vikanias. Anyways our jets just happen to be right in that area."
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Postby New Kowloon Bay » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:42 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
South Olpen wrote:Col. Herbert: We would like to invoke Article 4 of the NATO charter. We are being hit with nuclear weapons by a foreign hostile power.

Duglas Jones: Article 4:
‘‘The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.’’
Has been invoked.

So are we fighting Galapagos now?

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Postby South Olpen » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:43 am

New Kowloon Bay wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:Duglas Jones: Article 4:
‘‘The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.’’
Has been invoked.

So are we fighting Galapagos now?

OOC: No, they just surrendered after I almost obliterated everything they know.
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The Blaatschapen wrote:They could serve as a distraction.

Of course, in modern combat, that's what the French are for.


American Legionaries wrote:Baseball fans are liars, bitching about politics is the real American pass time.

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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:44 am

South Olpen wrote:
New Kowloon Bay wrote:So are we fighting Galapagos now?

OOC: No, they just surrendered after I almost obliterated everything they know.

OOC: You attacked them fist or did they? Is war still raging?
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Postby New Kowloon Bay » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:46 am

Greatest States Of America wrote:
South Olpen wrote:OOC: No, they just surrendered after I almost obliterated everything they know.

OOC: You attacked them fist or did they? Is war still raging?

I would believe our new member Zarnicovia nova is still at war with South Olpen.

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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:47 am

New Kowloon Bay wrote:
Greatest States Of America wrote:OOC: You attacked them fist or did they? Is war still raging?

I would believe our new member Zarnicovia nova is still at war with South Olpen.

Is that true?
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