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by Tinhampton » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:13 pm
by Hulldom » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:17 pm
Bananaistan wrote:Sandaoguo wrote:That's great, but "we oppose this because it's trying to do what its meant to do" is a reason to ignore your arguments, and I would encourage the author to not let themselves get distracted by them.
"Opposing a particular policy is entirely valid Ambassador. There are many of us here who are utterly opposed to the general policy of dictatorships regulating democracies but not themselves. Most recently the delegation representing the nation of Tinhamptom has ignored such contributions and their proposals have not gone well. The proposers here would be well advised not follow their example. Your advice to ignore us is a surefire way to failure."
by Texkentuck » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:26 pm
by Bananaistan » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:53 pm
Hulldom wrote:Bananaistan wrote:
"Opposing a particular policy is entirely valid Ambassador. There are many of us here who are utterly opposed to the general policy of dictatorships regulating democracies but not themselves. Most recently the delegation representing the nation of Tinhamptom has ignored such contributions and their proposals have not gone well. The proposers here would be well advised not follow their example. Your advice to ignore us is a surefire way to failure."
OOC: You know, I initially I wasn't going to respond to this, but I think it is. Banana, I respect the hell out of you man, but with the whole bit about elites bullying authors coming out lately this is absolutely the last thing to say. It's absolutely reprehensible, frankly. There is certainly a lot of difference between someone like myself who OOCly and ICly has very strong views towards expanding the international bureaucracy and someone whose "antics" include mass-drafting of proposals to see what sticks. If you don't believe there's that daylight, fine? But then I would ask, why bother contributing in my threads? If you believe I'm a lost cause, what's the point in continuing to feed any hope?
For the record, I did reach out to Glen after this comment to see if they were still interested in drafting a replacement because, frankly, I reject the view that we shouldn't be targeting autocracies to turn them into democracies and to strengthen existing ones. Both IC Hulldom and OOC Hulldom would love to see that. Maybe IC and OOC Bananaistan would not, that's certainly your choice to do so, but to simply threaten a pretty automatic veto on a player over simply attempting to reach ambitious goals is just ludicrous. It does the Secretariat, and the "elite" more generally, no favors.
I'm not going to ask you to apologize, you said what you believe, but I would ask you to think before you make comments like this in the future and consider what kind of message you're sending, not just to me, the OP, but to everyone else who might read this thread.
by Hulldom » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:19 pm
Bananaistan wrote:Hulldom wrote:OOC: You know, I initially I wasn't going to respond to this, but I think it is. Banana, I respect the hell out of you man, but with the whole bit about elites bullying authors coming out lately this is absolutely the last thing to say. It's absolutely reprehensible, frankly. There is certainly a lot of difference between someone like myself who OOCly and ICly has very strong views towards expanding the international bureaucracy and someone whose "antics" include mass-drafting of proposals to see what sticks. If you don't believe there's that daylight, fine? But then I would ask, why bother contributing in my threads? If you believe I'm a lost cause, what's the point in continuing to feed any hope?
For the record, I did reach out to Glen after this comment to see if they were still interested in drafting a replacement because, frankly, I reject the view that we shouldn't be targeting autocracies to turn them into democracies and to strengthen existing ones. Both IC Hulldom and OOC Hulldom would love to see that. Maybe IC and OOC Bananaistan would not, that's certainly your choice to do so, but to simply threaten a pretty automatic veto on a player over simply attempting to reach ambitious goals is just ludicrous. It does the Secretariat, and the "elite" more generally, no favors.
I'm not going to ask you to apologize, you said what you believe, but I would ask you to think before you make comments like this in the future and consider what kind of message you're sending, not just to me, the OP, but to everyone else who might read this thread.
OOC: I'm not willing to accept an accusation of bullying. And I think you may have misinterpreted my IC post there but you can take it or leave it. You have no obligation to respond to anyone. OTOH there is no thread ownership in the GA - people will post opposing policies they ICly or OOCly oppose. And I do not see what's reprehensible about pointing out that two wider ranging proposals on the topic have failed where the author ignored opposition. This is a statement of fact.
IC opposition is not a veto. It is merely a vote against. In any case I note I have not posted IC opposition to this proposal in this thread and if I did it would have nothing to do with GenSec or the "elite".
but with the whole bit about elites bullying authors coming out lately this is absolutely the last thing to say.
If you don't believe there's that daylight, fine? But then I would ask, why bother contributing in my threads? If you believe I'm a lost cause, what's the point in continuing to feed any hope?
by Bananaistan » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:32 pm
Hulldom wrote:Bananaistan wrote:
OOC: I'm not willing to accept an accusation of bullying. And I think you may have misinterpreted my IC post there but you can take it or leave it. You have no obligation to respond to anyone. OTOH there is no thread ownership in the GA - people will post opposing policies they ICly or OOCly oppose. And I do not see what's reprehensible about pointing out that two wider ranging proposals on the topic have failed where the author ignored opposition. This is a statement of fact.
IC opposition is not a veto. It is merely a vote against. In any case I note I have not posted IC opposition to this proposal in this thread and if I did it would have nothing to do with GenSec or the "elite".but with the whole bit about elites bullying authors coming out lately this is absolutely the last thing to say.
This is not to suggest you’re bullying. I’m saying it could be construed that way. I don’t, for the record, believe you were/are.If you don't believe there's that daylight, fine? But then I would ask, why bother contributing in my threads? If you believe I'm a lost cause, what's the point in continuing to feed any hope?
Thread ownership doesn’t exist, but I’m once again pointing out that the comparison to Tin inevitably invites the idea of being labeled a lost cause.
by Hulldom » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:35 pm
Bananaistan wrote:Hulldom wrote:
This is not to suggest you’re bullying. I’m saying it could be construed that way. I don’t, for the record, believe you were/are.
Thread ownership doesn’t exist, but I’m once again pointing out that the comparison to Tin inevitably invites the idea of being labeled a lost cause.
OOC: Sorry, I really don't know why you would bring up bullying and the mention of "reprehensible" if you don't think this was bullying or otherwise want to gag my opinions.
For the record, it wasn't bullying and I'd be surprised if any reasonable neutral observer would see it as such. It was an IC post. It referred to two IC proposals on this topic which failed. I'd prefer if you would withdraw the allegation but I'm also not asking you too.
Also not sure how someone who has passed something like seven resolutions this year so far is supposed to be a lost cause.
by Sandaoguo » Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:04 pm
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