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by Christian Confederation » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:32 am
by Al-Harreh Danistarab » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 am
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:48 am
by The Alma Mater » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:49 am
by Heloin » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:54 am
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:13 am
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:22 am
Heloin wrote:Chess Reloaded wrote:Hey when this issue is brought up with Islam it's labeled as a no true Scotsman. Curious
I’ve never pretending that the Taliban isn’t Islamic or made up of local Afghans. They’re extremists yes and make the life of the average Afghan worse but I can still understand why people would fight for them.
by Heloin » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:27 am
Chess Reloaded wrote:Heloin wrote:I’ve never pretending that the Taliban isn’t Islamic or made up of local Afghans. They’re extremists yes and make the life of the average Afghan worse but I can still understand why people would fight for them.
Actually they're not extreme either by objective doctrine or by average practicing Muslim worldwide. Most religious scholars have congratulated or recognized them . Although I'm not quite referring to that, it was something from the Muslim thread
Heloin wrote:Again, why do all extremists pretend to be moderates.
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:40 am
Heloin wrote:Chess Reloaded wrote:Actually they're not extreme either by objective doctrine or by average practicing Muslim worldwide. Most religious scholars have congratulated or recognized them . Although I'm not quite referring to that, it was something from the Muslim threadHeloin wrote:Again, why do all extremists pretend to be moderates.
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:17 am
Heloin wrote:Chess Reloaded wrote:I don't know if it ever occurred to you but moderate by the liberal, American-European Overton window is not necessarily the same as moderate in other worldviews. Even America seems extreme to Europe and vice versa whereas ideologically they are quite close
I’m from Zimbabwe.
by Kowani » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:31 am
One of the founders of the Taliban and the chief enforcer of its harsh interpretation of Islamic law when they last ruled Afghanistan said the hard-line movement will once again carry out executions and amputations of hands, though perhaps not in public.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Mullah Nooruddin Turabi dismissed outrage over the Taliban’s executions in the past, which sometimes took place in front of crowds at a stadium, and he warned the world against interfering with Afghanistan’s new rulers.
“Everyone criticized us for the punishments in the stadium, but we have never said anything about their laws and their punishments,” Turabi told The Associated Press, speaking in Kabul. “No one will tell us what our laws should be. We will follow Islam and we will make our laws on the Quran.”
Since the Taliban overran Kabul on Aug. 15 and seized control of the country, Afghans and the world have been watching to see whether they will re-create their harsh rule of the late 1990s. Turabi’s comments pointed to how the group’s leaders remain entrenched in a deeply conservative, hard-line worldview, even if they are embracing technological changes, like video and mobile phones. Turabi, now in his early 60s, was justice minister and head of the so-called Ministry of Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice — effectively, the religious police — during the Taliban’s previous rule.
At that time, the world denounced the Taliban’s punishments, which took place in Kabul’s sports stadium or on the grounds of the sprawling Eid Gah mosque, often attended by hundreds of Afghan men.
Executions of convicted murderers were usually by a single shot to the head, carried out by the victim’s family, who had the option of accepting “blood money” and allowing the culprit to live. For convicted thieves, the punishment was amputation of a hand. For those convicted of highway robbery, a hand and a foot were amputated.
Trials and convictions were rarely public and the judiciary was weighted in favor of Islamic clerics, whose knowledge of the law was limited to religious injunctions.
Turabi said that this time, judges — including women — would adjudicate cases, but the foundation of Afghanistan’s laws will be the Quran. He said the same punishments would be revived.
“Cutting off of hands is very necessary for security,” he said, saying it had a deterrent effect. He said the Cabinet was studying whether to do punishments in public and will “develop a policy.”
In recent days in Kabul, Taliban fighters have revived a punishment they commonly used in the past — public shaming of men accused of small-time theft.
by Galimencia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:06 pm
Chess Reloaded wrote:Heloin wrote:I’ve never pretending that the Taliban isn’t Islamic or made up of local Afghans. They’re extremists yes and make the life of the average Afghan worse but I can still understand why people would fight for them.
Actually they're not extreme either by objective doctrine or by average practicing Muslim worldwide. Most religious scholars have congratulated or recognized them . Although I'm not quite referring to that, it was something from the Muslim thread
by Diarcesia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:10 pm
Galimencia wrote:Chess Reloaded wrote:Actually they're not extreme either by objective doctrine or by average practicing Muslim worldwide. Most religious scholars have congratulated or recognized them . Although I'm not quite referring to that, it was something from the Muslim thread
Funny you should say this, because from this post of yours you've pretty much made it clear that you believe most of the Muslims in this world, including great scholars, are in fact all extremists and support a barbaric regime. It doesn't matter whether one is a Westerner or not, what is barbaric is equal to everyone. They, these Talibans, are a barbaric, primitive group of people, and I can say this with certainty that most of the 'normal' Muslims agree with my statement. Because if they don't and they support the Talibans, they should be ashamed of themselves.
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Galimencia wrote:Chess Reloaded wrote:Actually they're not extreme either by objective doctrine or by average practicing Muslim worldwide. Most religious scholars have congratulated or recognized them . Although I'm not quite referring to that, it was something from the Muslim thread
Funny you should say this, because from this post of yours you've pretty much made it clear that you believe most of the Muslims in this world, including great scholars, are in fact all extremists and support a barbaric regime. It doesn't matter whether one is a Westerner or not, what is barbaric is equal to everyone. They, these Talibans, are a barbaric, primitive group of people, and I can say this with certainty that most of the 'normal' Muslims agree with my statement. Because if they don't and they support the Talibans, they should be ashamed of themselves.
by Kumarinadu » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:20 pm
Chess Reloaded wrote:Heloin wrote:I’ve never pretending that the Taliban isn’t Islamic or made up of local Afghans. They’re extremists yes and make the life of the average Afghan worse but I can still understand why people would fight for them.
Actually they're not extreme either by objective doctrine or by average practicing Muslim worldwide. Most religious scholars have congratulated or recognized them . Although I'm not quite referring to that, it was something from the Muslim thread
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:26 pm
Kumarinadu wrote:Chess Reloaded wrote:Actually they're not extreme either by objective doctrine or by average practicing Muslim worldwide. Most religious scholars have congratulated or recognized them . Although I'm not quite referring to that, it was something from the Muslim thread
Closer to like half of practicing Muslims probably. Islamism is the norm and Salafism:Wahhabism is mainstream but so are certain decidedly anti Wahhabi groups.
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:27 pm
I don't care about anyone's opinion. Social democrat Kemalists, who want to be a part of the great European Union, refuse to recognize the Taliban terrorist organization. I don't recognize the US puppet state, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, and I hope every state in the great European Union refuses to sit at the table with the Taliban. Freedom to all women in the world !Chess Reloaded wrote:Galimencia wrote:Funny you should say this, because from this post of yours you've pretty much made it clear that you believe most of the Muslims in this world, including great scholars, are in fact all extremists and support a barbaric regime. It doesn't matter whether one is a Westerner or not, what is barbaric is equal to everyone. They, these Talibans, are a barbaric, primitive group of people, and I can say this with certainty that most of the 'normal' Muslims agree with my statement. Because if they don't and they support the Talibans, they should be ashamed of themselves.
I would say outside the west in most Sunni countries the average practicing Muslim has a positive view of the Taliban. Probably also true in some western countries as well like the UK and France. و الله اعلم
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:32 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I don't care about anyone's opinion. Social democrat Kemalists, who want to be a part of the great European Union, refuse to recognize the Taliban terrorist organization. I don't recognize the US puppet state, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, and I hope every state in the great European Union refuses to sit at the table with the Taliban. Freedom to all women in the world !Chess Reloaded wrote:I would say outside the west in most Sunni countries the average practicing Muslim has a positive view of the Taliban. Probably also true in some western countries as well like the UK and France. و الله اعلم
by Galimencia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:39 pm
Chess Reloaded wrote:Galimencia wrote:Funny you should say this, because from this post of yours you've pretty much made it clear that you believe most of the Muslims in this world, including great scholars, are in fact all extremists and support a barbaric regime. It doesn't matter whether one is a Westerner or not, what is barbaric is equal to everyone. They, these Talibans, are a barbaric, primitive group of people, and I can say this with certainty that most of the 'normal' Muslims agree with my statement. Because if they don't and they support the Talibans, they should be ashamed of themselves.
I would say outside the west in most Sunni countries the average practicing Muslim has a positive view of the Taliban. Probably also true in some western countries as well like the UK and France. و الله اعلم
by Chess Reloaded » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:48 pm
Galimencia wrote:Chess Reloaded wrote:I would say outside the west in most Sunni countries the average practicing Muslim has a positive view of the Taliban. Probably also true in some western countries as well like the UK and France. و الله اعلم
I don't believe anything you say because you are not only misinformed, but you are also a pathetic liar. So I know there's no point arguing with you. But if I just forget everything and believe that your statement is true(which I am hundreds percent sure isn't and most of the Muslims hate Talibans) , then these people should be ashamed of themselves and they have no place in our modern world.
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:48 pm
First of all, review your historical knowledge. The great leader Mustafa Kemal Atatürk opened the Turkish Grand National Assembly by reciting the Quran. Nobody can question anybody's religion. The views of the Turkish government and the views of the Turkish nation are not in common. The pro-European social democrat Kemalists will not allow terrorist organizations in Europe. The only purpose of the Taliban is to handcuff the feet of European women, but do not forget the year 1923 ! 1000 years from now, we will continue to fight against political Islam. Social democrat Kemalists will defeat political Islam with the education sword of Europe because political Islam is a universal problem. Hayatta en hakiki mürşit ilimdirChess Reloaded wrote:Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I don't care about anyone's opinion. Social democrat Kemalists, who want to be a part of the great European Union, refuse to recognize the Taliban terrorist organization. I don't recognize the US puppet state, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, and I hope every state in the great European Union refuses to sit at the table with the Taliban. Freedom to all women in the world !
Kemalists are not Muslims generally, neither was Kemal, he was an explicit atheist. So I don't see your point. Turkey has offered to recognize the Taliban but only if they can lease the airport and have soldiers there which won't happen
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