So by this logic, most of Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is rightful Italian clay.
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Kubra wrote:Wrong: it does exist, but is part of the red sea. Everyone lives underwater.Great Algerstonia wrote:Israel as a whole is a myth. The nation, nor the territory it is on, does not exist. It is in reality part of the Red Sea, which is named after the communist and not Islamist state of Commi Arabia, which is named after the Union of Soviet Communist Republics, which contrary to popular belief still exists and is named "USCR", not "USSR".
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by TomKirk » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:51 am
Diahon wrote:Koletsia wrote:
This logic would literally give any peoples a right to claim land that they historically lived in regardless of how they got there and regardless of how far distant in time it was.
Would you feel better if the people who decided to go to Palestine instead decamped in Kenya? Or settled in Madagascar? Or chose Seward in Alaska?
Point is, they are refugees; Palestine was just the piece of land with the strongest emotional attachment at the time, things being what they were (six million dead, continental Europe a smoldering ruin, sHitler brained and roasted...).
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by The Nation of the Nines » Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:44 pm
by Elanore » Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:50 pm
The Nation of The Nines wrote:Yes, it has the right to exist. Much like how Rome was real so is Israel is real and has a long history being conquered by other nations.
by The Land of the Ephyral » Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:53 pm
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:03 pm
Diahon wrote:Koletsia wrote:
This logic would literally give any peoples a right to claim land that they historically lived in regardless of how they got there and regardless of how far distant in time it was.
Would you feel better if the people who decided to go to Palestine instead decamped in Kenya? Or settled in Madagascar? Or chose Seward in Alaska?
Point is, they are refugees; Palestine was just the piece of land with the strongest emotional attachment at the time, things being what they were (six million dead, continental Europe a smoldering ruin, sHitler brained and roasted...).
by Diahon » Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:16 pm
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Diahon wrote:Would you feel better if the people who decided to go to Palestine instead decamped in Kenya? Or settled in Madagascar? Or chose Seward in Alaska?
Point is, they are refugees; Palestine was just the piece of land with the strongest emotional attachment at the time, things being what they were (six million dead, continental Europe a smoldering ruin, sHitler brained and roasted...).
The Holocaust was unfortunate, but how did the Holocaust extinguish the claims of Palestinians to their land? The rights of refugees do not encompass a right to usurp the sovereignty of the native peoples and establish a system of sociopolitical dominance over them that pushes them out from the national identity of the state and forces them to be second-class citizens.
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:21 am
The Land of the Ephyral wrote:It doesn't really matter. If they can enforce their claim, they'll continue to do so.
Every people have stolen land. Every people have had land stolen. No one is a unique victim or perpetrator of this. Argue that as the basis of why one state shouldn't exist and you won't be able to argue why any of them should.
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by Helidan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:08 pm
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by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:19 pm
Diahon wrote:Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:The Holocaust was unfortunate, but how did the Holocaust extinguish the claims of Palestinians to their land? The rights of refugees do not encompass a right to usurp the sovereignty of the native peoples and establish a system of sociopolitical dominance over them that pushes them out from the national identity of the state and forces them to be second-class citizens.
where did i say that? an amicable settlement could've reached, where jewish and palestinian would've shared the land and a scrupulously egalitarian secularism kept
instead, this
by Krasny-Volny » Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:19 pm
Koletsia wrote:I pose this question because as an anachronistic imperialist experiment it seems very strange that we allow them to slaughter the native inhabitants like the Israelites slaughtered the Canaanites thousands of years ago just so some whites from Europe can role play as ancient people. Seems kind of strange to me. What do you think?
by Salus Maior » Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:23 pm
Krasny-Volny wrote:Koletsia wrote:I pose this question because as an anachronistic imperialist experiment it seems very strange that we allow them to slaughter the native inhabitants like the Israelites slaughtered the Canaanites thousands of years ago just so some whites from Europe can role play as ancient people. Seems kind of strange to me. What do you think?
This is not the hot take you think it is. I’ve been hearing the same emotive talking points all my life about Israel. They’re imperialist European colonizers who are guilty of genocide and are not real ancient Hebrews, just like fantasizing they are as they genocide their way through scores of innocent defenseless Arab Palestinians.
I spent some time in Israel back in 2014, saw a chunk of the West Bank too. Truth is, things aren’t that black and white. Nothing in this world is. Absolutes are great for political propaganda and feeling good but don’t measure up to reality. The reality is this: Israel is a fairly normal country like any other in the world, albeit with its own unique social problems. People there aren’t caricatures, they’re just like you and me: worried about security, worried about their jobs, worried about paying their bills, worried about the paint jobs on their cars, worried about their relationships. They listen to the same pop songs we do and wear the same crappy band T-shirts. There are poor Nordic looking Russian Jews and rich Palestinians. There are extremists on both sides, yes. There are also drug dealers, mob bosses, corrupt politicians, greedy bankers, and crooked, evil people of every stripe just like in every other nation in the world that is imperfect (and that is all of them).
I guess what I’m trying to say is Israel is like any other country in the world, and it isn’t going anywhere. And maybe you should try talking to some Israeli Jews and getting their side of the story before being so quick to pronounce your righteous judgment from atop your high horse.
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