No logically Trump was following in the foot steps of past Presidents. Also USA numba 2!!!
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by Thermodolia » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:11 pm
by Galloism » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:31 pm
by Bear Stearns » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:49 pm
by Galloism » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:04 pm
by Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:12 pm
Myrensis wrote:Merrill wrote:
Okay, this is where the "lived experiences" of millions of people are conflicting, and setting up different expectations from the government. Some still view Covid with fear. Others look at what effect it had on them and their neighbors, and say "What's the big deal?"
So, for those of you who are still afraid, masks that work are now available, there is a vaccine that the government claims to work; why don't you guys protect yourselves, and let the rest of us reject the risk, if we choose? It's YOUR responsibility to protect yourself.
Because, Billy, there will always be people who can't get the vaccine for various medical reasons, or are all ready immunocompromised, and we're not particularly inclined to let them die just because you've decided that endangering others by being a petty spiteful asshole makes you the hero of your own deluded fairytale.
by Forsher » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:14 pm
Genivaria wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
No, 'the point' is that Trump isn't just being criticized because he's a Republican. Because he isn't.
That's a fake argument made to rationalize why Trump was so ridiculously unpopular, even compared to previous dumpster-fire presidents like Bush - and it relies on everyone agreeing to forget things like the yield curve inverting all the way back in 2018, the economy having 5 of it's ALL-TIME biggest same-day collapses in the 3 years BETWEEN Trump being elected and the pandemic... and his horrible mismanagement of a pandemic.
Trump wasn't criticized for being a republican or a conservative - he isn't either. He was criticized for being an awful, awful president. Which is why his criticisms have been unusually bipartisan.
You know looking back it's really easy to forget alot of the Trump scandals because of just how fucking many there were.
by Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:18 pm
by Genivaria » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:19 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Forsher wrote:
As Clinton teaches us, the way is to have just the one big subsidiary scandal that distracts from the original scandal.
Pretty sure Trump was more having so many individual scandals that it’s impossible to focus on one - otherwise we have to determine which was the original one
by Forsher » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:20 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Forsher wrote:
As Clinton teaches us, the way is to have just the one big subsidiary scandal that distracts from the original scandal.
Pretty sure Trump was more having so many individual scandals that it’s impossible to focus on one - otherwise we have to determine which was the original one
by Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:22 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:24 pm
Galloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
That was Azar who said that. Even in your article it mentions it and Fauci directing people to the CDC. 45 was more interested in politics and the pandemic.
Directly from the article:"Right now, in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, an immunologist and a public face of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, on CBS’ “60 Minutes” earlier this month. He, like the others, suggested that masks could put users at risk by causing them to touch their face more often.
Let’s not just randomly assert things contradicting the source article without evidence, shall we?
Notably, it links to a cbs news article as a Source:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing ... 020-03-08/
It’s entitled:March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about COVID-19
And it says:"There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes.
While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.
So again, I’d like to ask people to stop reinventing history.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:27 pm
by Narland » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:28 pm
San Lumen wrote:
What do we need them for? Why should someone who is unelected by anyone get to decide legislation?
by Galloism » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:29 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok I will admit I missed Fauci after reading Azar. I am curious why you are dumping blame on him when the other two guys basically said the same thing.
Galloism wrote:Rusozak wrote:
The N-95 was singled out early on because the supply was low at the time and they were urging people to save the N-95 for hospital staff and first responders. Yes, there was like a month where Fauci and others were telling people not to mask up because healthcare workers needed them and the supply chain hadn't caught up yet. But for anyone who's looked at the news since May of last year, the supply chain has caught up and they quickly changed their stance now that they were readily accessible to everyone.
Let's not reinvent history.
Fauci recommended against masks because the average person fiddling with and touching them would likely have a greater risk of infection than if they weren't wearing masks at all. Now that's ridiculous, but it was what was said at the time.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:30 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:i had to get some blood drawn today and the fat black lady doing it was the most jolly person i've ever met. she said i should embrace being bougee
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:34 pm
Galloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok I will admit I missed Fauci after reading Azar. I am curious why you are dumping blame on him when the other two guys basically said the same thing.
You're curious why I would assign blame to an immunologist who serves as the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and who is the Chief Medical Advisor to the President of the United States for claiming that masks actually will cause disease to spread more (due to touching) during a pandemic?
Maybe you need to look at my original post and the post I responded to for your answer as to why I posted this information.Galloism wrote:Let's not reinvent history.
Fauci recommended against masks because the average person fiddling with and touching them would likely have a greater risk of infection than if they weren't wearing masks at all. Now that's ridiculous, but it was what was said at the time.
by Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:38 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Merrill wrote:
No, but they were under the authoritarian governors and mayors! I still live under a public space mask mandate, and it's pissing me off!
So very many lies, starting with 2 weeks to flaten the curve...
Hah. You forgot the authoritarian business leaders and owners. The school leaders, etc., etc. It’s pissing you off? Oh Boohoo. I can guess how you would have handled WW2 with all the rationing. Ohhh the complaining.
You can have your “freedom” you just get the consequences of your choices.
by Galloism » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:39 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:*shrugs* I don’t blame him for comments made in the early days of the pandemic.
Even then; he was right. The n95s did make people fidget with them.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:41 pm
Merrill wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Hah. You forgot the authoritarian business leaders and owners. The school leaders, etc., etc. It’s pissing you off? Oh Boohoo. I can guess how you would have handled WW2 with all the rationing. Ohhh the complaining.
You can have your “freedom” you just get the consequences of your choices.
Japan and Germany were real threats to everyone. If Covid was a real threat to me, I wouldn't be bitching, now would I? Tell the people in the at risk groups to vaccinate and mask; and let the rest of us make our own choices. I would accept the consequences if I were allowed to.
FYI, the business leaders aren't the ones forcing compliance - they are under threat from government thugs also. Schools? School boards are also government. Got any better examples?
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:45 pm
Galloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:*shrugs* I don’t blame him for comments made in the early days of the pandemic.
I do. He had a duty, job, and responsibility to the American people, just like the other assholes you named. And he abdicated it, and got hundreds of thousands of people killed, just like the other assholes you named. "I am afraid of telling the truth to the American people because it might hurt the feelings of an orange asshole" is not an excuse for the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases to lie to the American people, get hundreds of thousands killed, and be part of this whiplash that continues to lash back and forth to this very day.
Stop making excuses for powerful people to fucking gaslight the public because it might hurt somebody's feelings, even if that person is the President of the United States. He had a goddamn job.Even then; he was right. The n95s did make people fidget with them.
No, he wasn't, and everybody knew it, and they know it now, given people are buying N95s now on recommendation.
by Galloism » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:49 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Galloism wrote:
I do. He had a duty, job, and responsibility to the American people, just like the other assholes you named. And he abdicated it, and got hundreds of thousands of people killed, just like the other assholes you named. "I am afraid of telling the truth to the American people because it might hurt the feelings of an orange asshole" is not an excuse for the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases to lie to the American people, get hundreds of thousands killed, and be part of this whiplash that continues to lash back and forth to this very day.
Stop making excuses for powerful people to fucking gaslight the public because it might hurt somebody's feelings, even if that person is the President of the United States. He had a goddamn job.
No, he wasn't, and everybody knew it, and they know it now, given people are buying N95s now on recommendation.
Ok. His end choice would be resigning for going against 45. You know that petty little fuck would have gone after him with a vengeance if he went against him. 45 can’t handle people who are respected more and challenge him.
by Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:49 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Merrill wrote:
Japan and Germany were real threats to everyone. If Covid was a real threat to me, I wouldn't be bitching, now would I? Tell the people in the at risk groups to vaccinate and mask; and let the rest of us make our own choices. I would accept the consequences if I were allowed to.
FYI, the business leaders aren't the ones forcing compliance - they are under threat from government thugs also. Schools? School boards are also government. Got any better examples?
You missed the issues of businesses going against the republican state rules of no masks. Anyway; your conspiracy theories are kind of boring. I am one who likes a good one……
by Merrill » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:51 pm
Galloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. His end choice would be resigning for going against 45. You know that petty little fuck would have gone after him with a vengeance if he went against him. 45 can’t handle people who are respected more and challenge him.
And, even if true, he had a damn job. And he went against Trump multiple times and did not get fired for it anyway. Yeah Trump is a pansy ass crybaby, but you don't get to say "I was just following orders" when you tell the public masks will fucking get them killed.
It wasn't ok for Barr to be a shithead because Trump would can him. It's wasn't ok for Spicer, Scaramucci, Pompeo, Betsy DeVos, and all that crew to be shitheads because they were working for Trump. You do not get a pass on being a shithead because the President is a shithead. Period. You do not get a pass on getting hundreds of thousands of people killed because you were afraid of hurting his feelings.
Period.
by Lord Dominator » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:52 pm
Merrill wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
You missed the issues of businesses going against the republican state rules of no masks. Anyway; your conspiracy theories are kind of boring. I am one who likes a good one……
Easy to miss when the boot on your neck is Democrat...
If a business chooses to mandate masks, that's fine, it's their property. Someone else will be happy to take my money.
That's the difference, you see. My transactions with businesses are VOLUNTARY! The government gives only a shitty choice: Obey, or Die.
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