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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Postby Antipatros » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:49 am

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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:55 am



Because that's just what they want, isn't it? To make women and trans men live in fear of their neighbours, their friends, their families, anyone they meet that might have a grudge. An incredible achievement, indeed, to create an abortion ban that primes people up for what life is like in a dictatorship, where people can't trust one another or form proper relationships because they have to be afraid that every person next to them will snitch on them for $10,000.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:02 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:


If a pregnant woman catches covid and dies along with the fetus due to her workplace not being allowed to check for vaccinations - will one be able to demand a bounty from the Florida lawmakers ?

There's almost no downsides to trying. Clog up those courts with frivolous lawsuits, baby!
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:02 pm



The funny thing? He still rates higher then 45 even after honoring 45’s agreement with the Taliban.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:37 pm

Shrillland wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I am shocked, shocked I say.


Because that's just what they want, isn't it? To make women and trans men live in fear of their neighbours, their friends, their families, anyone they meet that might have a grudge. An incredible achievement, indeed, to create an abortion ban that primes people up for what life is like in a dictatorship, where people can't trust one another or form proper relationships because they have to be afraid that every person next to them will snitch on them for $10,000.


It's as if 1984 is coming true- the very same book they use to label Democrats as "Big Brother".

Btw, Joe Manchin really wants to piss off Democrats:

he's urging his Democratic colleagues to "hit the pause button" on a $3.5 trillion spending bill, citing more urgent priorities like the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and a spike in COVID-19 cases.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:47 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Because that's just what they want, isn't it? To make women and trans men live in fear of their neighbours, their friends, their families, anyone they meet that might have a grudge. An incredible achievement, indeed, to create an abortion ban that primes people up for what life is like in a dictatorship, where people can't trust one another or form proper relationships because they have to be afraid that every person next to them will snitch on them for $10,000.


It's as if 1984 is coming true- the very same book they use to label Democrats as "Big Brother".

Btw, Joe Manchin really wants to piss off Democrats:

he's urging his Democratic colleagues to "hit the pause button" on a $3.5 trillion spending bill, citing more urgent priorities like the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and a spike in COVID-19 cases.


He is a democrat?
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Postby Antipatros » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:48 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Because that's just what they want, isn't it? To make women and trans men live in fear of their neighbours, their friends, their families, anyone they meet that might have a grudge. An incredible achievement, indeed, to create an abortion ban that primes people up for what life is like in a dictatorship, where people can't trust one another or form proper relationships because they have to be afraid that every person next to them will snitch on them for $10,000.


It's as if 1984 is coming true- the very same book they use to label Democrats as "Big Brother".

Btw, Joe Manchin really wants to piss off Democrats:

he's urging his Democratic colleagues to "hit the pause button" on a $3.5 trillion spending bill, citing more urgent priorities like the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and a spike in COVID-19 cases.

What is Manchin going to do about either of those things? Hold some hearings?

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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:54 pm

Antipatros wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
It's as if 1984 is coming true- the very same book they use to label Democrats as "Big Brother".

Btw, Joe Manchin really wants to piss off Democrats:

he's urging his Democratic colleagues to "hit the pause button" on a $3.5 trillion spending bill, citing more urgent priorities like the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and a spike in COVID-19 cases.

What is Manchin going to do about either of those things? Hold some hearings?

no
it's the second part of the exxon-ordered two-step initiated by the gottheimer 9
killing the reconciliation bill (or greatly paring it back)

see the trick is that all of these people will be out of office in 6-8 years
cushy lobbying jobs and speaking gigs await them
so they don't have to worry about the party's electoral success
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:04 pm

Kowani wrote:
Antipatros wrote:What is Manchin going to do about either of those things? Hold some hearings?

no
it's the second part of the exxon-ordered two-step initiated by the gottheimer 9
killing the reconciliation bill (or greatly paring it back)

see the trick is that all of these people will be out of office in 6-8 years
cushy lobbying jobs and speaking gigs await them
so they don't have to worry about the party's electoral success


Indeed. We should establish rules like business and non-compete laws, etc. You leave office and you should have a wait a year or so to be a lobbyist.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:23 pm



Great just what we need to politicize elections results and refuse to accept outcomes unless one's candidate wins. These people should be thrown of the election board or disqualified as poll workers if they pull these stunts.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:24 pm

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And if they do, we can easily become a Dominant-party republic, where one party stays in power through electoral fraud and illegal maneuvering, and that's barely one step above a one party state.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:29 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Unironically, it’s MAGAs that are trying to steal elections.

And if they do, we can easily become a Dominant-party republic, where one party stays in power through electoral fraud and illegal maneuvering, and that's barely one step above a one party state.


I think especially among younger MAGAs, they’re contempt for representative democracy and constitutional republicanism is quite clear and very explicit.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:35 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:And if they do, we can easily become a Dominant-party republic, where one party stays in power through electoral fraud and illegal maneuvering, and that's barely one step above a one party state.


I think especially among younger MAGAs, they’re contempt for representative democracy and constitutional republicanism is quite clear and very explicit.

Ironically, they've gotten me to question the wisdom of democracy, but for opposite reasons.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:38 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
I think especially among younger MAGAs, they’re contempt for representative democracy and constitutional republicanism is quite clear and very explicit.

Ironically, they've gotten me to question the wisdom of democracy, but for opposite reasons.


What I don’t like is that they’re convincing older MAGAs that they’re actually defending our Democratic-Republic.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:52 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Ironically, they've gotten me to question the wisdom of democracy, but for opposite reasons.


What I don’t like is that they’re convincing older MAGAs that they’re actually defending our Democratic-Republic.

No, they like to pretend that's what they're doing.

Unfortunately, we're already more of an Oligarchic-Republic now adays.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:57 pm

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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:59 pm



I find this whole thing very concerning. Poll workers and election boards are supposed to be non partisan.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:02 pm


um

never?


(assuming no new bill is created to do it afterwards)
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Of course. If a Republican Trumpist looses, it's only because the election was stolen.


I find this whole thing very concerning. Poll workers and election boards are supposed to be non partisan.


Just like the court right?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:49 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I find this whole thing very concerning. Poll workers and election boards are supposed to be non partisan.


Just like the court right?


Counting ballots is not partisan. Bannon is under the delusion that poll workers and election officials can just refuse to count ballots or certify elections they don't like the outcome of. That's now how it works but it is also a very dangerous door to open.
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