The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Can't help it. I find it very uncomfortable to be walking down the street and get cat-called by a group of strangers. Whatever the intentions, it's embarrassing to me. Let me remark that I am only talking about how the act makes me, no one else, feel.

Cut him off. He will surrender very fast!

I am unable to for reasons. All that makes me want to do is run off.


Again, I'm only talking about how catcalling makes me feel.

[The Black Forrest]

Cut him off. He will surrender very fast!

I am unable to for reasons. All that makes me want to do is run off.


Again, I'm only talking about how catcalling makes me feel.

You are not hot? Sorry don't believe it. In fact when you get tired of him; give me a call!

[Cekoviu]

I am unable to for reasons. All that makes me want to do is run off.


Again, I'm only talking about how catcalling makes me feel.

You are not hot? Sorry don't believe it. In fact when you get tired of him; give me a call!

is this a reference to something or are you just creepy

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I am unable to for reasons. All that makes me want to do is run off.


Again, I'm only talking about how catcalling makes me feel.

You are not hot? Sorry don't believe it. In fact when you get tired of him; give me a call!

<o<

I'll be under my rock.

>o>

[Stellar Colonies]

You are not hot? Sorry don't believe it. In fact when you get tired of him; give me a call!

is this a reference to something or are you just creepy

I think it is a joke.

[Saiwania]

..all i know is that he's treating me like an object, and no matter who he is it's a horrible experience. it's so incredibly awful to just be going about your business and be reminded that there's a whole group of people who literally do not view you as a person.

That is just the way the world has always worked in my view. What can be gained by complaining about it if its never changing? People either adapt to the conditions on the ground they're given or they stand out for the wrong reasons and society rejects them or exerts negative pressure until the person conforms or fits in.

Plenty of bosses for example, don't care about their employees beyond what financial benefit they can give to advance their business or their self interests.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

is this a reference to something or are you just creepy

I think it is a joke.

It is.

Anyway, those were my two cents on how catcalling makes me feel.

[The Black Forrest]

is this a reference to something or are you just creepy

I think it is a joke.

*touches noise and points*

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

..all i know is that he's treating me like an object, and no matter who he is it's a horrible experience. it's so incredibly awful to just be going about your business and be reminded that there's a whole group of people who literally do not view you as a person.

That is just the way the world has always worked in my view. What can be gained by complaining about it if its never changing? People either adapt to the conditions on the ground they're given or they stand out for the wrong reasons and society rejects them or exerts negative pressure until the person conforms or fits in.

Plenty of bosses for example, don't care about their employees beyond what financial benefit they can give to advance their business or their self interests.

I would point out that slavery in the 19th century was also "just the way the world has always worked" but I can't be sure if you actually oppose slavery.

[Galloism]

Plenty of bosses for example, don't care about their employees beyond what financial benefit they can give to advance their business or their self interests.

I would argue this is ALSO a problem, incidentally.

Not a problem for the feminism thread, but a problem.

[Celritannia]

Again, I don't buy Sai's allegation that men think making women feel super uncomfortable will get them a date. Nobody's that dumb.

Different people are bothered by different things, so no- it'd appear to be that my argument is still in the right if the complaint is only about some guy striking out with a woman he's trying to court. Its either men stop trying altogether, or put in the effort like society typically expects them to.

Fucking lol.

This is why no one takes you seriously.

[Cekoviu]

..all i know is that he's treating me like an object, and no matter who he is it's a horrible experience. it's so incredibly awful to just be going about your business and be reminded that there's a whole group of people who literally do not view you as a person.

That is just the way the world has always worked in my view. What can be gained by complaining about it if its never changing? People either adapt to the conditions on the ground they're given or they stand out for the wrong reasons and society rejects them or exerts negative pressure until the person conforms or fits in.

Plenty of bosses for example, don't care about their employees beyond what financial benefit they can give to advance their business or their self interests.

first of all the boss-employee relationship isn't analogous to the relationship between random men and women on the street and i think you just unwittingly betrayed a lot more about your thought patterns than you intended. but also that is an enormous problem in and of itself; everybody should be treated with dignity by default.

[Kowani]

i mean yeah the "pro-lifers don't support contraceptives so they're not actually pro-life" point is galaxy-brain moronic but the "pro-lifers are opposed to lots of policies which would reduce infant mortality rates" is somewhat harder to get around

I don't really expect culture war labels to hold true beyond the hot-button issue to which they relate. Pro-life and pro-choice relate largely to abortion. They don't relate to contraception, unless you consider abortion a form of contraception, in which case they apply to one specific form. They don't relate to firearms. They don't relate to welfare or solutions/non-solutions to homelessness.

i believe you've missed my point-i specified infant mortality for a reason (largely because i think modern conservatism is essentially a death cult) and everything you've mentioned is seen as tangentially related at best

Sure, one should, ideally, be consistent in one's philosophy, but I don't expect that here, especially not when dealing with broad groups of people who have different ideologies, different beliefs, different levels of intelligence and rigor, etc.

i mean...no? like not that we shouldn't expect consistency (we really should not) but pro-lifers are largely homogenous as an ideological grouping (political, personal pro-lifers are a bit more mixed)

I mentioned before that Sundiata's argument resembled Kantian ethics quite closely and that, in so far as deontological or utilitarian ethics go, it's pretty valid as an approach. Mind you, I know Sun's reasoning is probably more deeply rooted in his adherence to Catholic doctrine and teachings.

it is-there's no "probably" here (though in the politics of the church, sun is technically in theminority)
I wouldn't have objected nearly as much to the assertion that he was playing Devil's advocate by taking that route and that nobody involved in the argument accepted the premises of secular deontological ethics.

I'm glad to hear you yeeting simplistic ethical methods though. You've grown quite a lot, Ko.

no, i am still 6'2"

And, while I do sound a bit scournful, hopefully in a teasing way, I'm not actually throwing shade. It's good to grow. It's how to you avoid becoming a hobbit - like me.

have you considered taking an extremely long walk

Plenty of bosses for example, don't care about their employees beyond what financial benefit they can give to advance their business or their self interests.

I would argue this is ALSO a problem, incidentally.

Not a problem for the feminism thread, but a problem.

whoever could have predicted that making "your only responsibility is to your shareholders" being legally binding might backfire

[Saiwania]

[everybody should be treated with dignity by default.

We don't truly live in such a world though. To get dignity people have to already be respected/powerful. If people see that someone can be bullied for example, of course some people who see their weakness are going to go ahead in exploiting that for their benefit at their expense. It is just how people are. If there was no demand for inequality inherent to human nature, we wouldn't have divided our societies into rich, middle, and poor.

Even if on the surface its just how much economic utility/value someone currently has, on a broader scale it is arguably also who is objectively seen as better. People who're approved more are rewarded more, and rewards beget more rewards and etc. People who're poor are partially poor to begin with, because the society where they live sees them as undesirable or negative in terms of traits.

Those who're poor won't ever move up in hierarchy until people outside their immediate circle see potential in them and they actually go about improving instead of continuing their decline. Plenty of people may not like it, but its harsh truth that people aren't equal in how far their abilities/talents will take them.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Going to the city can be a whole new experience when you go with friends who are girls. All the sudden creepy guys show up everywhere. It's awful, and I'm not sure I could take it if I had to deal with it constantly. Props to women for not going insane.



I have a friend who hit a really persistent catcaller in the head with a pebble for harassing her and her girlfriend.

[Cekoviu]

[everybody should be treated with dignity by default.

We don't truly live in such a world though. To get dignity people have to already be respected/powerful. If people see that someone can be bullied for example, of course some people who see their weakness are going to go ahead in exploiting that for their benefit at their expense. It is just how people are. If there was no demand for inequality inherent to human nature, we wouldn't have divided our societies into rich, middle, and poor.

the "human nature" argument is absurd. our natural state is not to type out arguments on complex electronic devices and communicate with people across the world, yet i'm doing that right now. there are no macbooks in the jungle, yet one is beneath my fingers at this moment. just because something is our natural state does not inherently make it good or desirable, and we have proven that we can retrain ourselves from our natural states, at least to some extent, through the industrial revolution. decency and justice are better than what we have coded in our DNA. and it's worth battling our natures to realize them.

Even if on the surface its just how much economic utility/value someone currently has, on a broader scale it is arguably also who is objectively seen as better. People who're approved more are rewarded more, and rewards beget more rewards and etc. People who're poor are partially poor to begin with, because the society where they live sees them as undesirable or negative in terms of traits.

Those who're poor won't ever move up in hierarchy until people outside their immediate circle see potential in them and they actually go about improving instead of continuing their decline. Plenty of people may not like it, but its harsh truth that people aren't equal in how far their abilities/talents will take them.

saiwania, you're a NEET. and presumably not particularly affluent, or you'd be doing more interesting things than arguing with me on NSG. what does your very own belief system say about you?

[Cekoviu]

i have a friend who hit a really persistent catcaller in the head with a pebble for harassing her and her girlfriend.

queen omg! a boulder or a bullet would've been better but thats still a victory for womankind

[Odreria]

i have a friend who hit a really persistent catcaller in the head with a pebble for harassing her and her girlfriend.

queen omg! a boulder or a bullet would've been better but thats still a victory for womankind

I would (because I am a true gentleman ) have used a sawed off shotgun… I’ve been practicing in fallout so

[Cekoviu]

queen omg! a boulder or a bullet would've been better but thats still a victory for womankind

I would (because I am a true gentleman ) have used a sawed off shotgun… I’ve been practicing in fallout so

you're one of the good ones! if only more men were like u

[Saiwania]

I find it very interesting what certain people say they believe vs. what they do. What does being pro-women's rights but anti-men's rights entail exactly?

[Cekoviu]

I find it very interesting what certain people say they believe vs. what they do. What does being pro-women's rights but anti-men's rights entail exactly?

read the SCUM manifesto

[Stellar Colonies]

I find it very interesting what certain people say they believe vs. what they do. What does being pro-women's rights but anti-men's rights entail exactly?

read the SCUM manifesto

...bleugh

[Saiwania]

read the SCUM manifesto

Ah, that one crazy woman who tried killing an artist she was jealous of. Well, she got off much lighter than perhaps would be the case today.

[Galloism]

read the SCUM manifesto

...bleugh

Everything makes more sense when you realize Cekoviu and Saiwania are actually pretty close the same person, just with different preference groups.

I decided to block them both and have some meaningful conversation. Your call of course.

[Odreria]

read the SCUM manifesto

...bleugh

Funny how you claim certain ideas are distasteful yet see nothing wrong with referring to a member of the gentler sex as a “bleugh “