Bombadil wrote:Salus Maior wrote:If our country could actually produce candidates that weren't a choice between worse and worse maybe our political culture would be healthier, but it's not. It's divisive and forces people to make choices they wouldn't make under any other circumstance. Our system is not representative, and there should be greater, valid choices for the candidacy.
If you actually look into Hillary Clinton's life she's a pretty remarkable person, if it wasn't for the gut vilification by a religion that has whacked out ideas of a women's place in life given traditional 'family values', if one could assess her with a rational mind, she was way less an evil than Trump if not the great majority of people by far.
Jesus was a progressive, his approach compared to that of the OT God is massively progressive, his approach was about compassion and forgiveness over severe retribution, he wasn't about 'build that wall'.
Look at who the attack dogs go after, Clinton, Pelosi, Ocasio-Cortez and the squad..
Religion's long history of suppressing women alone.. that's essentially where issues such as abortion stem from, gay marriage.
As i said earlier, I have no problems with Christianity as long as they stick to the point, your relationship with God is personal, between you and Him, it's about not judging as opposed to judging the fuck out of anyone who doesn't fit in with a view that has been made up for you by those who want to cling to power in this world, on this earth.
Christians should be about the most progressive people on the planet, in large part they're very much not and that leads to utterly sinful people, across all 7 of them, such as Trump taking advantage of it.
I really wish, for once, there was just one Christian who was like.. 'yeah, my beliefs belong to me and my God, and don't affect other people', even Jesus said 'render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar' because the affairs of humans on earth are a choice given to them by God.
Churches should be a holy place where you go and have a conversation with God in peace and quiet, not hear the mad rantings of someone extracting a vast fortune out of those who attend.
And same for any religion, it really wouldn't be a problem and you wouldn't feel under attack if you kept your religious beliefs out of the public sphere, certainly not to use them to carry out some vendetta against progressive values.
If Christianity got back to what it should be it would, indeed, be a good thing.
I guess it's getting better though.. just that in the US specifically, capitalism has got a hold of it and the madder and more 'entertain-y' you are, the more money you make.
Progressive Christianity isn't leading to conservative policy, the vast riches you can earn from exploiting Christians is.
Describing Jesus/God whether NT or OT as a “progressive” of any kind is stretching the word well beyond max capability.
Christianity, when looked at closely and taken to a serious level, is literally incompatible with the liberal-leaning political tenants of the mainstream 21st century.
If people can condone eternal torment in the afterlife, punishment for thought crimes against God, acts of mass execution by individuals obeying God in the OT, promote total and absolute submission to a higher power and carve out such a massive exception for rights… how do you expect this to be compatible with progressivism?
You’d have to perform lots of mental gymnastics.
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And you’re disregarding the history of the religion which has always been one of expansionism and absolute control, tying massively into a European colonial history.