60% of Peruvians are Mestizo
But chauvinism is weird - the Peruvian Mestizo deny being indigenous due to Spanish acculturation whereas Japanese honour the Ainu heritage as some mythic origin tale.
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by Deacarsia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:05 pm
by Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:22 pm
by Dakini » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:32 pm
Cetacea wrote:Hispida wrote:A notable amount of Japanese consider themselves Ainu despite the modern Ainu population only being around 25,000.
60% of Peruvians are Mestizo
But chauvinism is weird - the Peruvian Mestizo deny being indigenous due to Spanish acculturation whereas Japanese honour the Ainu heritage as some mythic origin tale.
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:16 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:17 pm
Heloin wrote:Neanderthaland wrote:Plenty, but there can't be big battles. Pizarro had 180 conquistadors.
It would be impossible for Spain to field big armies in Peru for logistical reasons. Without smallpox and local allies, the Spanish would have had no hope of doing anything. The Inca could have wiped them out by herding alpaca at them.
Now that's a battle I'd pay to see.
by The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:27 am
by The Archregimancy » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:24 am
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:32 am
The Archregimancy wrote:
In January 1537, Manco Inca led an army of c.30,000+ Inca to victory over an army of c.100 Spaniards and c.30,000+ Native American auxiliaries led by Hernando Pizarro at the Battle of Ollantaytambo - itself part of a broader campaign where Manco Inca's armies held their own against the conquistadors and allies for some months, leading to a military stalemate.
Following his uprising against Spanish rule, Manco Inca had clearly grasped that Spanish armour and cavalry presented a formidable challenge to traditional Inca military tactics. So he made brilliant use of the local terrain at Ollantaytambo to hold a strong defensive position that gave him a significant tactical advantage, and also flooded the plain to hinder the Spanish cavalry.
When he counterattacked, his army made good use of captured Spanish weapons; Manco Inca himself had apparently learned to ride a horse by this point. Hernando had no choice but to retreat with heavy losses - though the Inca were unable to take advantage of their victory and re-take Cuzco.
by The Archregimancy » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:45 am
by Baltenstein » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:56 am
Cetacea wrote:Hispida wrote:A notable amount of Japanese consider themselves Ainu despite the modern Ainu population only being around 25,000.
60% of Peruvians are Mestizo
But chauvinism is weird - the Peruvian Mestizo deny being indigenous due to Spanish acculturation whereas Japanese honour the Ainu heritage as some mythic origin tale.
by The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:59 am
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:03 am
Baltenstein wrote:Cetacea wrote:
60% of Peruvians are Mestizo
But chauvinism is weird - the Peruvian Mestizo deny being indigenous due to Spanish acculturation whereas Japanese honour the Ainu heritage as some mythic origin tale.
Then you have Etnocacerismo, and ideology that rejects all things (and people) of Spanish/European background in favor of some pre-columbian mythic origin tale.
This is their flag.
The design and color composition seem eerily familiar though I can't quite put my finger on what they remind me of.
by Flohaland » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:24 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:Baltenstein wrote:
Then you have Etnocacerismo, and ideology that rejects all things (and people) of Spanish/European background in favor of some pre-columbian mythic origin tale.
This is their flag.
The design and color composition seem eerily familiar though I can't quite put my finger on what they remind me of.
It's the inverse of the Japanese flag, but then with a symbol added in the middle.
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:40 am
by The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:28 am
by Wallenburg » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:25 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a really inspiring post. Even though the Incans lost, I think they really tried and really fought with honor, inventiveness and determination. I am very touched by this.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:51 am
Wallenburg wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a really inspiring post. Even though the Incans lost, I think they really tried and really fought with honor, inventiveness and determination. I am very touched by this.
Honor has nothing to do with it. When an invader arrives and enslaves whomever they do not exterminate, you'll fight however you can with whatever you can.
by Heloin » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:05 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Honor has nothing to do with it. When an invader arrives and enslaves whomever they do not exterminate, you'll fight however you can with whatever you can.
And fight they did. I’m very proud of the Incans and their efforts to resist. They have my undying respect. This is in part why I made this thread. To discuss this counterfactual.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:09 am
by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:12 am
The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan wrote:Keiko Fujimori wouldn't have been able to contest the Peru elections had Spain not invaded Peru.
by Tsaivao » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:16 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Heloin wrote:I’m sure they’d much rather have their country.
They fought with such valor and nobility. Even after Atahualpa went down, they didn’t just give up. They continued to fight back.
It’s such a compelling and poignant moment in history. I think there should be more depictions of this from the Incan POV.
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by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:18 am
Tsaivao wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
They fought with such valor and nobility. Even after Atahualpa went down, they didn’t just give up. They continued to fight back.
It’s such a compelling and poignant moment in history. I think there should be more depictions of this from the Incan POV.
Please tell me Im not the only one who sees this as ignorant and condescending. Why are you talking about the Inca like they're a Warhammer 40k faction? It's not poignant and compelling, it's a genocide that very nearly succeeded thanks to disease and war. Why must we be so fixated on honor when "honor" has nothing to do with this at all?
by Tsaivao » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:33 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Tsaivao wrote:Please tell me Im not the only one who sees this as ignorant and condescending. Why are you talking about the Inca like they're a Warhammer 40k faction? It's not poignant and compelling, it's a genocide that very nearly succeeded thanks to disease and war. Why must we be so fixated on honor when "honor" has nothing to do with this at all?
I support the Incans. When I read the books on this topic, I feel sympathy for the Incan side.
I don’t know how it comes across as otherwise.
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