They've already left state if I'm not mistaken, they can't be arrested.
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by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:28 pm
by The Republic of Fore » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:41 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The Republic of Fore wrote:2.Nothing stops them from doing that amazing thing called "not committing a felony." Instead of selling drugs to feed their starving grandma, they should go work at walmart. More money and you won't go to prison. And even for those that already did, there's some jobs that do still hire felons.
I don't think you know much about Walmart or drug dealing if you think working for the former makes more money lol
by The Republic of Fore » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:43 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:44 pm
The Republic of Fore wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't think you know much about Walmart or drug dealing if you think working for the former makes more money lol
A study by the university of chicago showed the average drug dealer makes 20,000 a year. Walmart starts people at 11 an hour, which is about 23k a year. And the average pay is 13.12 which works out to about 27,300 a year. Take your snark somewhere else.
by The Republic of Fore » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:50 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The Republic of Fore wrote:A study by the university of chicago showed the average drug dealer makes 20,000 a year. Walmart starts people at 11 an hour, which is about 23k a year. And the average pay is 13.12 which works out to about 27,300 a year. Take your snark somewhere else.
That study is 20 years old and gave a range of 20,000-30,000, which puts Walmart on the low end of drug dealing.
by Forsher » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:57 pm
by Necroghastia » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:21 am
by The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:37 am
by Heloin » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:41 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Honestly just declare the missing representatives missing persons, and if they don't show up in state to dispute it, have them legally declared dead.
by Ifreann » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:42 am
Fahran wrote:Ifreann wrote:In most places, conviction for a criminal offence does not lead to the revocation of one's citizenship. So if voting is tied to citizenship, and citizenship is not tied to criminal convictions, why should the right to vote be tied to criminal conviction?
It does lead to a partial stripping of the rights often associated with citizenship. You do not, for instance, allow felons, especially violent felons, freedom of movement. Such rights are restricted in the interest of safeguarding society or as a matter of principle.
I have explained the justification behind why murderers and rapists especially should be denied the vote, namely they have behaved as predators within society flouting the rights of fellow citizens and laws. It is thus just that they lose any say in policy until they are deemed to have reformed and done penance. Because their actions have revealed them to be bad actors and you do not give bad actors those sorts of responsibilities. And voting is as much a responsibility as a right in my view.
The Emerald Legion wrote:Honestly just declare the missing representatives missing persons, and if they don't show up in state to dispute it, have them legally declared dead.
by Vassenor » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:02 am
by San Lumen » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:31 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Honestly just declare the missing representatives missing persons, and if they don't show up in state to dispute it, have them legally declared dead.
by The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:08 am
by The Caleshan Valkyrie » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:14 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:
You cannot do that. One cannot be declared missing or legally dead if their whereabouts are known.
Are their whereabouts known? They're not where they're legally required to be and can't be found by the authorities. Clearly they've gone missing. Probably eaten by sharks or something.
by Neutraligon » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:36 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:
You cannot do that. One cannot be declared missing or legally dead if their whereabouts are known.
Are their whereabouts known? They're not where they're legally required to be and can't be found by the authorities. Clearly they've gone missing. Probably eaten by sharks or something.
by Ifreann » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:41 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:
You cannot do that. One cannot be declared missing or legally dead if their whereabouts are known.
Are their whereabouts known? They're not where they're legally required to be and can't be found by the authorities. Clearly they've gone missing. Probably eaten by sharks or something.
by Forsher » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:45 am
by Myrensis » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:59 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:
You cannot do that. One cannot be declared missing or legally dead if their whereabouts are known.
Are their whereabouts known? They're not where they're legally required to be and can't be found by the authorities. Clearly they've gone missing. Probably eaten by sharks or something.
by Elwher » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:04 am
Necroghastia wrote:The Republic of Fore wrote:They're supposed to vote when bills are being considered. Not run away and hide because they're mad that blue Texas hasn't happened yet.
That's not the motivation for what is being done and you damn well know that. Again, are representatives not meant to advance their constituents' interests?
by Myrensis » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:06 am
Elwher wrote:Necroghastia wrote:That's not the motivation for what is being done and you damn well know that. Again, are representatives not meant to advance their constituents' interests?
Within certain limits. If the constituent's interests were best served by shooting those in opposition so as to give your side a majority, should they do so?
by Elwher » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:09 am
by New Rogernomics » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:20 am
Which is not what I was getting at, as the issue I was getting at involves people not even getting to prison, and escaping it entirely through community service and fines, while an African American or poor white person would be punished to the full extent of the law and get no special treatment, spending their lives in prison.Fahran wrote:Some people presumably want to allow inmates to vote. And the fact that a lot of rapists get off with slaps on the wrist when, more justly, they would be hanged does not mean that we should not hold those who get more than a slap on the wrist to account. I don't think such people have very much worthwhile to say on average, and those who do may be granted a special dispensation in the event that they're deemed to have reformed themselves.
That wasn't what I was getting at there. I was instead getting at that around 90-97% of criminal convictions are plea bargains, and that if you are talking about murder or rape at the extreme, depending on the state they won't ever be released if the full sentence was reached. This is why those released on such an extreme crime would be those where a plea agreement could be applied. It would be also incorrect to infer that criminals convicted of murder or rape cannot be found innocent and then released, or that a conviction cannot be obtained for the wrong person, while the actual criminal stays free, but evidence obtained at the time made them the most likely suspect.Fahran wrote:And I think you don't have the evidence to demonstrate that most incarcerated felons didn't actually commit the crimes they were convicted of committing. And "black people commit more felonies" is really not the strong point you think it is. Framed as it is, it just comes across as BS's "13 do 50." And I shouldn't need to explain why that particular talking point is stupid. On a sociological and CRT level, the relationship of African-Americans to the criminal justice system does warrant the promotion of racial justice and the closing of racial disparities, but it does not mean individual felons should not be held to account for things they did that hurt other people - who were also probably African American.
by Necroghastia » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:20 am
Elwher wrote:Necroghastia wrote:That's not the motivation for what is being done and you damn well know that. Again, are representatives not meant to advance their constituents' interests?
Within certain limits. If the constituent's interests were best served by shooting those in opposition so as to give your side a majority, should they do so?
by The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:49 am
The Republic of Fore wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't think you know much about Walmart or drug dealing if you think working for the former makes more money lol
A study by the university of chicago showed the average drug dealer makes 20,000 a year. Walmart starts people at 11 an hour, which is about 23k a year. And the average pay is 13.12 which works out to about 27,300 a year. Take your snark somewhere else.
by New Rogernomics » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:58 pm
Also a far lower risk of death or imprisonment, taking into account workplace accidents.The Black Forrest wrote:The Republic of Fore wrote:A study by the university of chicago showed the average drug dealer makes 20,000 a year. Walmart starts people at 11 an hour, which is about 23k a year. And the average pay is 13.12 which works out to about 27,300 a year. Take your snark somewhere else.
And? You are also talking about a company who has food drives for their employees.
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