Ostroeuropa wrote:Celritannia wrote:
Depends on what you mean by feminism as an ideology. There will be differences between what people think about feminism, just as there will be people who think there are differences with what people mean by MRAs, or liberals, or communist or (insert group here).
There are things feminism does well, and there are things feminism doesn't do well. Same with MRAs.
But the bother causes of any group tend to be the loudest and put the rest of the group in a sour look.
As a governing ideology currently practiced in society and actually imposed, rather than purely imaginary.
You know. Real feminism. That feminism. Sig comes in handy:The feminism that only exists in feminists heads is real, and the feminism that impacts society isn't real.
I'm not interested in capitalists waffling to me about how "real capitalism" works either and going glassy eyed about trickle down economics, no matter how much theory entirely divorced from reality they use to justify their predictions. Likewise i'm not interested in the platonic-essence interpretation of feminism plenty of feminists believe in rather than accept the reality of their ideology and how it actually works.
I question that quote tbqh.
I don't find it useful and tends to attack aspects of feminism that are indeed helpful. Whether you agree to that is up to you, but there are still genuine problems that women face.
Just as there are genuine problems men face.
Both groups have their place, both groups have legitimate concerns, and both groups have toxic parts to them. Just like any group.
Tribalism is indeed a dangerous thing, but it's what humanity seems to like.
"Plenty of X", a quote that focuses on generalisation.