Republicans Rounding Up Democrats in Texas

[Lexicor]

But the filibuster is unfathomably based at all times.

haha no
the filibuster was a literal mistake that does none of what it's propagandized to do and makes basic governance near-impossible
(it's also just bad democratic philosophy)

Makes governance nearly impossible, you say? That is unfathomably based.

[CoraSpia]

whether this concerns voting rights, gun rights, or the correct labelling of goat's cheese it matters very little, there needs to be one objective standard for if this is allowed or not.
I really don't think it should be, in fact I would go as far as to say that even if a candidate runs on the platform of trying his best to block everything it isn't an issue. Unless there is a clear mandate from their voters to do one thing, a politician should be free to vote (or indeed to not vote) with his or her conscience.

[San Lumen]

It depends. Are they fighting for or against civil rights.

In Oregon's case they were fighting against civil rights and deserved to be tracked down, while Texas is currently trying to disenfranchise a decent chunk of its population, so they can stay away for as long as they please.

I say stay out of the state for as long as they need to. Grind state government to a total halt. In fact all staffers of Republican legislators should walk out too and phones can go unanswered and constituent work uncompleted. All staff of statewide officials should walk out too. Grind the Texas government to a total halt until the GOP comes to their senses.

[Uiiop]

haha no
the filibuster was a literal mistake that does none of what it's propagandized to do and makes basic governance near-impossible
(it's also just bad democratic philosophy)

Makes governance nearly impossible, you say? That is unfathomably based.

You know that the state requires governance into to dismantle if revolution isn’t an option, right?

[Apostate]

I for one am amused by this type of behavior from either side. If its not a wake up call to America I dont know what is. Both parties should be ashamed they cant reach adult compromises that equally frustrate both sides.

Down with the two party system! Its exactly one party better than Communist China! Not good enough! Vote 3rd parties…

[Fahran]

It depends. Are they fighting for or against civil rights.

In Oregon's case they were fighting against civil rights and deserved to be tracked down, while Texas is currently trying to disenfranchise a decent chunk of its population, so they can stay away for as long as they please.

What civil right were Republicans in Oregon fighting against exactly? They were trying to block HB 2020, which would have introduced cap-and-trade to Oregon. HB 2020 was actually a good bill, but it didn't really concern anyone's civil rights if we're going by more traditional definitions.

Again, this feels like another case of "It's bad when people I don't like do it, but good when I people I like do it."

[Luziyca]

Fucking hell. Hope the Democrats are able to stop that bill from passing by getting Washington to do something before it's too late.

[Fahran]

Makes governance nearly impossible, you say? That is unfathomably based.

Become ungovernable. :^)

Fucking hell. Hope the Democrats are able to stop that bill from passing by getting Washington to do something before it's too late.

DC really has no jurisdiction over this with the exception of the SCOTUS in the event that this bill violates the Constitution or federal law.

[San Lumen]

Fucking hell. Hope the Democrats are able to stop that bill from passing by getting Washington to do something before it's too late.

I think Biden is going to do everything possible if his speech today is any indiction.

[New haven america]

It depends. Are they fighting for or against civil rights.

In Oregon's case they were fighting against civil rights and deserved to be tracked down, while Texas is currently trying to disenfranchise a decent chunk of its population, so they can stay away for as long as they please.

What civil right were Republicans in Oregon fighting against exactly? They were trying to block HB 2020, which would have introduced cap-and-trade to Oregon. HB 2020 was actually a good bill, but it didn't really concern anyone's civil rights if we're going by more traditional definitions.

Again, this feels like another case of "It's bad when people I don't like do it, but good when I people I like do it."

HB 3427, which allocated a couple billion in funding to schools and education, as well as focusing on helping low performing schools and students in minority majority areas.

Basically, most of the Reps that walked out didn't want Black or Mexican kids getting the same benefits and opportunities as White kids, which isn't surprising, as Oregon was a very racist state up until the 1970's/80's (Even being a KKK stronghold), so there's still lingering white nationalism going on in most of the state's more conservative population.

HB 2020 was the one they walked out on, but that was really an effort to kill the next bill which was HB 3427.

[Kowani]

Makes governance nearly impossible, you say? That is unfathomably based.

Become ungovernable. :^)

Fucking hell. Hope the Democrats are able to stop that bill from passing by getting Washington to do something before it's too late.

DC really has no jurisdiction over this with the exception of the SCOTUS in the event that this bill violates the Constitution or federal law.

sure they do
elections clause of the constitution allows DC to override this bill very easily
it's an explicit part of their jurisdiction, in fact

[Fahran]

HB 3427, which allocated a couple billion in funding to schools and education, as well as focusing on helping low performing schools and students in minority majority areas.

Basically, most of the Reps that walked out didn't want Black or Mexican kids getting the same benefits and opportunities as White kids.

From what I understand, they walked out to block HB 2020 in 2018, walked out to block other measures in 2019 before coming back to vote on HB 3427, and, recently, walked out in 2021. You're being as uncharitable as usual with Republicans, but that's to be expected. It still boils down to "it's fine to walkout to block bills I dislike" and "it's bad to walkout to block bills I like." That's not an impartial standard.

[New haven america]

HB 3427, which allocated a couple billion in funding to schools and education, as well as focusing on helping low performing schools and students in minority majority areas.

Basically, most of the Reps that walked out didn't want Black or Mexican kids getting the same benefits and opportunities as White kids.

From what I understand, they walked out to block HB 2020 in 2018, walked out to block other measures in 2019 before coming back to vote on HB 3427, and, recently, walked out in 2021. You're being as uncharitable as usual with Republicans, but that's to be expected. It still boils down to "it's fine to walkout to block bills I dislike" and "it's bad to walkout to block bills I like." That's not an impartial standard.

I literally explained this in my post:

What civil right were Republicans in Oregon fighting against exactly? They were trying to block HB 2020, which would have introduced cap-and-trade to Oregon. HB 2020 was actually a good bill, but it didn't really concern anyone's civil rights if we're going by more traditional definitions.

Again, this feels like another case of "It's bad when people I don't like do it, but good when I people I like do it."

HB 3427, which allocated a couple billion in funding to schools and education, as well as focusing on helping low performing schools and students in minority majority areas.

Basically, most of the Reps that walked out didn't want Black or Mexican kids getting the same benefits and opportunities as White kids, which isn't surprising, as Oregon was a very racist state up until the 1970's/80's (Even being a KKK stronghold), so there's still lingering white nationalism going on in most of the state's more conservative population.

HB 2020 was the one they walked out on, but that was really an effort to kill the next bill which was HB 3427.

Also, the walkout was in 2019, get the dates right please.

[Luziyca]

Fucking hell. Hope the Democrats are able to stop that bill from passing by getting Washington to do something before it's too late.

I think Biden is going to do everything possible if his speech today is any indiction.

I hope he does. But given the GOP and several Democrat-in-name-only legislators (*cough* Manchin *cough*) and the fact that they do not have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, I'm not so confident that the bill will pass.

[San Lumen]

I think Biden is going to do everything possible if his speech today is any indiction.

I hope he does. But given the GOP and several Democrat-in-name-only legislators (*cough* Manchin *cough*) and the fact that they do not have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, I'm not so confident that the bill will pass.

The fillbuster rules can easily be changed.

[Lexicor]

I hope he does. But given the GOP and several Democrat-in-name-only legislators (*cough* Manchin *cough*) and the fact that they do not have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, I'm not so confident that the bill will pass.

The fillbuster rules can easily be changed.

In theory yes, but with a looming wave election, I don't see it happening in practice.

[Fahran]

sure they do
elections clause of the constitution allows DC to override this bill very easily
it's an explicit part of their jurisdiction, in fact

The mechanism by which they could impact state elections is not really that straightforward. Congress does have the power to pass bills regulating and determining the time, place, and manner of elections, but I'm not certain that would extend to directly regulating a single state's elections in a manner not uniform across states. And overruling the law outright isn't really an option until a bill regulating elections has been passed. Or the SCOTUS has been brought in to ensure that civil rights and voting rights are being upheld.

[San Lumen]

The fillbuster rules can easily be changed.

In theory yes, but with a looming wave election, I don't see it happening in practice.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. You mean a Republican wave? I don't see it at his time.

[Fahran]

Also, the walkout was in 2019, get the dates right please.

I messed up on the date. But you're incorrect in that you're describing these as a single walkout. It was two distinct walkouts, one in May and one in June. HB 3427 was voted on after Dems agreed to table gun control legislation and legislationg regulating vaccination exemptions, which one could describe as violating constitutional rights if one were brazen enough. HB 3427 was also a tax bill, which is likely what prompted opposition. HB 2020, the bill I was describing, was literally not a civil rights bill.

[Kowani]

sure they do
elections clause of the constitution allows DC to override this bill very easily
it's an explicit part of their jurisdiction, in fact

The mechanism by which they could impact state elections is not really that straightforward. Congress does have the power to pass bills regulating and determining the time, place, and manner of elections, but I'm not certain that would extend to directly regulating a single state's elections in a manner not uniform across states.

the keyword here is manner
states are given the ability to run their elections-but congress is explicitly given the authority to intervene
and the VRA gives precedent for non-uniform election legislation (specifically, preclearance), so to say that congress doesn't have the authority to regulate a state's elections is...well, ahistorical
mind you, there

Or the SCOTUS has been brought into ensure that civil rights and voting rights are being upheld.

>roberts court
>voting rights

please tell me you don't actually believe this

[New haven america]

Also, the walkout was in 2019, get the dates right please.

I messed up on the date. But you're incorrect in that you're describing these as a single walkout. It was two distinct walkouts, one in May and one in June. HB 3427 was voted on after Dems agreed to table gun control legislation and legislationg regulating vaccination exemptions, which one could describe as violating constitutional rights if one were brazen enough. HB 3427 was also a tax bill, which is likely what prompted opposition. HB 2020, the bill I was describing, was literally not a civil rights bill.

It was the bill that they were sacrificing to get HB 3427 killed, that was the goal the entire time.

I went over this.

[Fahran]

the keyword here is manner
states are given the ability to run their elections-but congress is explicitly given the authority to intervene
and the VRA gives precedent for non-uniform election legislation (specifically, preclearance), so to say that congress doesn't have the authority to regulate a state's elections is...well, ahistorical
mind you, there

I don't believe Congress should insert itself into the process in the absence of VRA-related concern. If it passes a more general set of guidelines that impact states that have passed similar bills, which is what Dems should do anyway, that comes across as a good deal more policy-oriented and principled.

>roberts court
>voting rights

please tell me you don't actually believe this

You kinda need the SCOTUS to interpret the laws in your favor at some point. Otherwise, it lets legislatures play coy.

[San Lumen]

the keyword here is manner
states are given the ability to run their elections-but congress is explicitly given the authority to intervene
and the VRA gives precedent for non-uniform election legislation (specifically, preclearance), so to say that congress doesn't have the authority to regulate a state's elections is...well, ahistorical
mind you, there

I don't believe Congress should insert itself into the process in the absence of VRA-related concern. If it passes a more general set of guidelines that impact states that have passed similar bills, which is what Dems should do anyway, that comes across as a good deal more policy-oriented and principled.

>roberts court
>voting rights

please tell me you don't actually believe this

You kinda need the SCOTUS to interpret the laws in your favor at some point. Otherwise, it lets legislatures play coy.

The Supreme Court laid the groundwork for this when they gutted pre clearance from the VRA.

[Fahran]

It was the bill that they were sacrificing to get HB 3427 killed, that was the goal the entire time.

I went over this.

Except that isn't accurate.

HB 3427 wasn't killed and the compromise didn't involve killing HB 3427. The compromise killed or affected HB 3063 and SB 978, allowing the vote on HB 3427 to proceed. HB 3427 then passed in May. HB 2020 was a different bill and the walkout that occurred at that time, namely in June, was in response to cap-and-tax being brought back onto the table in what some perceived as a violation of the previous compromise. Reps didn't walkout on HB 3427 because they were racist either. They walked out because it implemented a tax hike and would have been followed by HB 3063 and SB 978 at some point down the road.

[Myrensis]

The mechanism by which they could impact state elections is not really that straightforward. Congress does have the power to pass bills regulating and determining the time, place, and manner of elections, but I'm not certain that would extend to directly regulating a single state's elections in a manner not uniform across states.

the keyword here is manner
states are given the ability to run their elections-but congress is explicitly given the authority to intervene
and the VRA gives precedent for non-uniform election legislation (specifically, preclearance), so to say that congress doesn't have the authority to regulate a state's elections is...well, ahistorical
mind you, there

Or the SCOTUS has been brought into ensure that civil rights and voting rights are being upheld.

>roberts court
>voting rights

please tell me you don't actually believe this

I think a lot of people got it twisted when SCOTUS shot down Trump & Co's election stupidity and decided that they must totally be defenders of democracy and voting rights, rather than just turning his clown car around because they understand that when you're undermining and subverting democracy you need to do it with a veneer of respectability and legitimacy lest the peasants get restless.