Why isn’t it? A faith in th absence of God is a faith too.
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:14 am
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by HISPIDA » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:26 am
by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:27 am
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by HISPIDA » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:34 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Hispida wrote:It's the distinct lack of a belief in a higher power, though, something which is kinda core to the idea of religion.
There are religions though that exist,without a belief in a higher power. Daoism is the first thing that comes to mind although I migh be a bit mistaken on the matter.
by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:36 am
Hispida wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:There are religions though that exist,without a belief in a higher power. Daoism is the first thing that comes to mind although I migh be a bit mistaken on the matter.
I don't think Taoism is a religion as much as it is a philosophy, although I might be wrong on that one, too. I dunno.
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by Page » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:43 am
by Dakini » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:44 am
by Neutraligon » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:47 am
by Page » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:50 am
by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:54 am
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:55 am
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by Neutraligon » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:56 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Except that atheists do not have faith in no god, at least most of them don't rather, they simply do not believe because you all have failed to provide convincing evidence that one does exist.
Personally my belief in God is not based on wether or not his existence can be proven. My personal position on the matter is based in an extremely hard to translate Russian sentence «Нельзя доказать бытие Бога, но доказывать это можно и даже необходимо.»
Basically it means that one can’t ultimately prove wether or not God exists, however proving that he does indeed exist is necessary.
by Page » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:57 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Page wrote:
Do you think there is a horse in your bathroom right now? If no, do you consider your belief in the horse's absence to be faith?
Partially yes because I do believe that there is no horse in my bathroom. If you’d like to call “belief in the absence of horse” a religion than go for it- after all who said that people can have only 1 religion?
by Dakini » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:58 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Page wrote:
Do you think there is a horse in your bathroom right now? If no, do you consider your belief in the horse's absence to be faith?
Partially yes because I do believe that there is no horse in my bathroom. If you’d like to call “belief in the absence of horse” a religion than go for it- after all who said that people can have only 1 religion?
by Endem » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:59 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Except that atheists do not have faith in no god, at least most of them don't rather, they simply do not believe because you all have failed to provide convincing evidence that one does exist.
Personally my belief in God is not based on wether or not his existence can be proven. My personal position on the matter is based in an extremely hard to translate Russian sentence «Нельзя доказать бытие Бога, но доказывать это можно и даже необходимо.»
Basically it means that one can’t ultimately prove wether or not God exists, however proving that he does indeed exist is necessary.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:59 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:... after all who said that people can have only 1 religion?
by Isles of Eamhna » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:59 am
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:00 am
Neutraligon wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Personally my belief in God is not based on wether or not his existence can be proven. My personal position on the matter is based in an extremely hard to translate Russian sentence «Нельзя доказать бытие Бога, но доказывать это можно и даже необходимо.»
Basically it means that one can’t ultimately prove wether or not God exists, however proving that he does indeed exist is necessary.
I did not say that god's existence can be proven, rather that those who believe have yet to provide convincing evidence that it does exist, and so atheists continue to not believe. No faith is necessary.
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:02 am
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by Dakini » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:03 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
I did not say that god's existence can be proven, rather that those who believe have yet to provide convincing evidence that it does exist, and so atheists continue to not believe. No faith is necessary.
I believe that further discussion on the matter requires that you define what you exactly mean by “faith” because, I believe, our opinions on the matter somewhat differ.
What I meant to say is that proving or denying the existence of God with empiric measures is impossible, at very least from my point of view…
by Neutraligon » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:05 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
I did not say that god's existence can be proven, rather that those who believe have yet to provide convincing evidence that it does exist, and so atheists continue to not believe. No faith is necessary.
I believe that further discussion on the matter requires that you define what you exactly mean by “faith” because, I believe, our opinions on the matter somewhat differ.
What I meant to say is that proving or denying the existence of God with empiric measures is impossible, at very least from my point of view…
by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:06 am
Endem wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Personally my belief in God is not based on wether or not his existence can be proven. My personal position on the matter is based in an extremely hard to translate Russian sentence «Нельзя доказать бытие Бога, но доказывать это можно и даже необходимо.»
Basically it means that one can’t ultimately prove wether or not God exists, however proving that he does indeed exist is necessary.
That seems like going in circles, if proving is necessary, then why is it impossible? And if it is impossible then why is it necessary, if a God created the universe, why wouldn't they leave a way for people to know that they exist, if knowing that is somehow necessary. If something is impossible to prove, then as logic dictates, it most likely doesn't exist, I mean, there are no teapots orbiting the sun.
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:07 am
Neutraligon wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:I believe that further discussion on the matter requires that you define what you exactly mean by “faith” because, I believe, our opinions on the matter somewhat differ.
What I meant to say is that proving or denying the existence of God with empiric measures is impossible, at very least from my point of view…
faith-belief without, or in contradiction to, evidence.
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by Vikanias » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:08 am
-Ocelot- wrote:Vikanias wrote:I mean, I don’t think so, ever since the late 80’s and maybe late 70’s religion has decreased. It’s simply not needed in modern secular society. And since mass debt. We literally killing ourselves and our planet. Multiple economic disasters in 2 decades, and much more has made people loose faith overall.
No it hasn't? Globally, religion never stop growing. For every European guy turning to atheism, there's like 10 asian guys converting to Christianity. Not to mention Africa, S.America etc.
Atheism is a niche belief and will remain a niche belief in the future. For better or for worse.
by Neutraligon » Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:09 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Endem wrote:That seems like going in circles, if proving is necessary, then why is it impossible? And if it is impossible then why is it necessary, if a God created the universe, why wouldn't they leave a way for people to know that they exist, if knowing that is somehow necessary. If something is impossible to prove, then as logic dictates, it most likely doesn't exist, I mean, there are no teapots orbiting the sun.
Once again I’ll quote a well known cleric, saying “Пути Господни неисповедимы”- we can’t understand the ways of God. That’s why he didn’t leave an hint for us that he exists.
Well then do you believe that you are not a brain in a jar? After all, according to the brain in a jar theory this can’t be either proven right or wrong. The same is true for my religious beliefs.
And I also believe in them just because that’s comfortable for me. Without religion my life would’ve been much much worse, most likely wouldn’t exist at all, TBH. But yet again I digress.
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