Independents Cup 13 OOC Thread

[Dari Sultanate]

The Dari Sultanate signs up for the tournament.

[Abanhfleft]

More pain for no gain. In anyways.

[Srednjaci]

Last time it wasn't so good but now we have more experience.
Let's play and enjoy

[Raspotochje]

In as a puppet of Srednjaci

[Federative Republic of Brasilia]

Debut!

[HUElavia]

Debut!

Hi! As a heads up, since you're part if the M.A. region, you are ineligible to participate in this tournament.

If you were to switch to another region that isn't M.A., Esportiva, Anaia, or AO, you would be eligible to participate in IAC 13.

[Montana Verde]

Regionals have always been an avenue for teams to try new things, showcase their culture (in football or otherwise), and give younger players an experience of the big stage. As such, this bid would ensure that teams will play at least 7 games here in Poafmersia, in a unique double "group stage" format that has previously been untested in the IAC.

Other than just "try[ing] new things", what is the advantage of the double group stage?

[Squornshelan Remnant States]

Debut!

Hi! As a heads up, since you're part if the M.A. region, you are ineligible to participate in this tournament.

If you were to switch to another region that isn't M.A., Esportiva, Anaia, or AO, you would be eligible to participate in IAC 13.

You are mistaken on this point, HUE. The only regions that have been barred from entry to the IAC are the Big 3 (now big 4). MA has never been excluded, they just usually don't join, since they have their own championship.

ELIGIBILITY & ENTRY
Any nation that is not a resident of the Big Three sporting regions - AO, Rushmore & Esportiva - at the time of this post may sign up to compete in the IAC. You may have been resident there in the past and may have competed in their international tournaments previously. You may plan to move to the sporting regions in the future and participation in this tournament does not preclude that, although it would be considered extremely bad manners to do so at the time of participation. Note, even if you've participated in the IAC in the past, you cannot participate with us if you're currently residing in a Big Three region, especially if you've signed up for their tournament.

NEW NOTE: With the creation of Anaia splitting off from Atlantian Oceania, there has been some discussion on whether or not the new region of Anaia qualifies as a full "sporting region" yet. While I was originally planning to allow Anaia to compete in the IAC, the creation of their new "CAFA" tournament seems to fill their need for a regional tournament. Thus, Anaia residents are barred from entering the IAC.

[Juvencus]

Obviously yes, I've got a story to keep writing

[Sixty-ninE X]

Sure

[HUElavia]

Hi! As a heads up, since you're part if the M.A. region, you are ineligible to participate in this tournament.

If you were to switch to another region that isn't M.A., Esportiva, Anaia, or AO, you would be eligible to participate in IAC 13.

You are mistaken on this point, HUE. The only regions that have been barred from entry to the IAC are the Big 3 (now big 4). MA has never been excluded, they just usually don't join, since they have their own championship.

ELIGIBILITY & ENTRY
Any nation that is not a resident of the Big Three sporting regions - AO, Rushmore & Esportiva - at the time of this post may sign up to compete in the IAC. You may have been resident there in the past and may have competed in their international tournaments previously. You may plan to move to the sporting regions in the future and participation in this tournament does not preclude that, although it would be considered extremely bad manners to do so at the time of participation. Note, even if you've participated in the IAC in the past, you cannot participate with us if you're currently residing in a Big Three region, especially if you've signed up for their tournament.

NEW NOTE: With the creation of Anaia splitting off from Atlantian Oceania, there has been some discussion on whether or not the new region of Anaia qualifies as a full "sporting region" yet. While I was originally planning to allow Anaia to compete in the IAC, the creation of their new "CAFA" tournament seems to fill their need for a regional tournament. Thus, Anaia residents are barred from entering the IAC.

Ah, thank you for the clarification then.

[PotatoFarmers]

Regionals have always been an avenue for teams to try new things, showcase their culture (in football or otherwise), and give younger players an experience of the big stage. As such, this bid would ensure that teams will play at least 7 games here in Poafmersia, in a unique double "group stage" format that has previously been untested in the IAC.

Other than just "try[ing] new things", what is the advantage of the double group stage?

When I first made a decision on this proposal, I thought that long group stages will allow me to create more opportunities for RPs. The seeding based on first stage (which already takes RPs into account), will allow the groups to be more balanced in terms of number of RPers.

I have been listening to some opinions in the Discord, and understanding some people's concerns, I may change the bid to include eliminations at stage 1.

[Pratapgadh]

We are in boys!

[PotatoFarmers]

After consulting people on discord, as well as reconsider the length of the tournament, I have decided to slightly modify the format. As stated in the updated bid, while the first "casaran" stage will now contain a number of eliminations aimed at keeping the size of the group stage at a manageable number. I believe this change would be better in addressing concerns about "games for the sake of games", as well as maintain the original flexibility in being able to deal with any number of participants. The change also keeps the spirit of the bid intact, in attempting to give more exposure by aiming to pair teams with a variety of opponents, including fixtures against teams from your own pot.

The full changelog is as follows:

1) Removed guarantees of entering Stage 2, adding a number of early eliminations.
2) Changed the number of teams in the Group Stage from 4-6 per group to a guaranteed 4 per group.
3) Removed the use of IAC ranking coefficients for all tiebreak situations; they will only be used to determine pots in event of ties (and not during elimination situations.)*
4) Fleshed out 4 different numbers we may have in Stage 2, namely 16 teams, 24 teams, 32 teams and 48 teams options.
5) Changed the RP Bonus scale from 0-2 to 0-3. Explaination is that the bid's original intention is for a Unranked RPer to have ranking points similar for a Top-ranked non-RPer at the last cutoff before first eliminations. The original bid will allow up to 17 ranking points by the end of Stage 2, comparable to the 20ish points the top-ranked team has before RP Bonus. As eliminations are brought forward to Stage 1, increasing the max bonus to 3 will allow up to 16.5 ranking points bonus at the end of the stage.

*Essentially, if 3 teams are tied for 8th after the first 3 tiebreakers, and only 1 team can enter Pot 1 while the other 2 needs to enter Pot 2, the IAC ranking coefficients will be used. However, if 3 teams are tied for 32nd after the first 3 tiebreakers, and only 1 team can make it into a 32-team stage 2, the IAC ranking coefficients will not be used, and we will move on to the coin flip (scorinate games between all 3 to decide)

Edit on 27th Jun: Realised that I missed out on the change in RP scale, and added it to the changelog

[Quintessence of Dust]

Sorry for switching puppets, same user as MVE.

When you refer to IAC ranking coefficients, which ones are you proposing to use? Omerica's formula (here) or a different one?

[PotatoFarmers]

Sorry for switching puppets, same user as MVE.

When you refer to IAC ranking coefficients, which ones are you proposing to use? Omerica's formula (here) or a different one?

Ome's formula. I believe there is also a slight change being proposed by Ome, but that is for the discussion thread.

[Quintessence of Dust]

Trolleborg & Quintessence of Dust IAC 13 Bid

When I (QoD) first rejoined NS Sports a year ago, Trolleborg approached me about hosting something together. Our opinions in relation to RP and how things should look in the tournament look very similar. But our calendars haven’t lined up until now, and we’ve decided to bid for the IAC.

Format

The group stage will be a single round robin, with groups of the same size. At present we have 32 signups (giving 8x4) but our preference would be to hold out for signups permitting groups of 5 or 6 to allow a slightly longer group stage. Groups will be sorted by tiebreakers: Points, Goal Difference, H2H Points, H2H Difference, IC coin flip [OOC scorinated game]. 3-way ties will be broken by creating a mini-table of the tied groups and taking only the results between those teams into account.

The playoffs will be a single elimination Round of 16 bracket, plus a 3PPO. If there are 8 groups, there will be 2 from each group advancing; if there are fewer than 8 groups, the highest ranked 3rd placed teams will advance as well.

Scorination

We will use Omerica’s ranking formula, with a generous RP bonus plus roster bonus. The aim is to make an unranked RPer able to compete with a top ranked non-RPer by the end of the group stage.

We will use xkoranate with the SQIS formula and ±5 style mods.

Hosts will scorinate each other’s games (including puppets) and find a third party scorinator if we end up playing against one another in the playoffs.

Roleplay elements

Games will take place in Trolleborg and Quintessence of Dust. Information about the two countries, including the grounds, will be provided prior to the tournament starting.

We will take the “Best goal of the tournament” thing into the new tournament and hope to add some new elements for RP in this tournament.

Cutoffs will be posted with a small newsreel about ongoing events to provide additional RP ideas.

Each game will be assigned a referee. Users can contribute referees to the pool of assigned referees. If our bid succeeds, we put more details about that.

We also have some new things up our sleeve with which, as we are hoping, will encourage creative thinking and provide new options for roleplaying.

Experience

Quintessence of Dust has hosted several tournaments including 2 World Cups of Hockey, a Baptism of Fire, a Rugby World Cup, and a World Baseball Classic; with other nations, I have hosted various other tournaments including regional soccer tournaments in Rushmore and Esportiva, another Baptism of Fire and a Cup of Harmony. Trolleborg is new to hosting. We will work together to collaborate on RP bonus grading and working out any technical issues.

[Recuecn]

*remembers to sign up*

[New Lusitania and the Algarves]

remembers to sign up as well

[The H Corporation]

Hehe. Time to rock

*Signs up*

[Lewhoten]

sure

[Galimencia]

Yes.

[Kohnhead]

Better late than never

[Sajnur]

Enter Sajnur

[Sannyamathland]

Here we come!