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Postby Strala » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:57 pm

Segmentia wrote:Is it just arguments every other page in this rp? Good lord.

Get used to it. Everyone in Asia hates each other and loves to argue.

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Postby Deblar » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:07 pm

Strala wrote:
Segmentia wrote:Is it just arguments every other page in this rp? Good lord.

Get used to it. Everyone in Asia hates each other and loves to argue.

As Monsone said a few pages back, Asia could learn a thing or two from Latin America, which had been able to coexist rather peacefully the past few years

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Postby Concejos Unidos » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:11 pm

Nationstates Name: Concejos Unidos

Nation Name: Federal States of Colombia (Gran Colombia)
Area: Modern-day Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and the Chaco Boreal region of Paraguay
Capital: Bogotá (executive), Lima (legislative), Caracas (judicial)
Type of Government: Oligarchic Democracy
Head of Government and State: Fabián Palacio
Picture of Leader Image
Party in Power: Movimiento Nacional para la Federación (MNF)
Executive Title: Federal President
Flag
Image


Currency: New Colombian Peso
Population: 138 million
GDP (ppp): 1.4 trillion (higher than real-world GDP b/c Venezuela isn't completely collapsed in this world)
GDP Growth (real): 2.1%
Inflation: 1.7%
Population below poverty line: 22%
Gini: 61
Value of currency compared to United States Dollar: 2.3 NAP: 1 USD
Major trade partners: Brazil, Mexico, USA

Total military size: 750,000 active, 800,000 reserve
Breakdown of ground forces:
450,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the army.
Tanks: 900
Treaded APC: 4500
Assorted Artillery: 550
Breakdown of naval naval forces
200,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the navy or naval aviation.
Battleships: 2
Frigates: 23
Submarines: 20
Minor ships: 46
26 ASW helicopters
80 fighter-bombers
30 interceptors
7 mine warfare planes
13 reconnaissance
Breakdown of air forces
100,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the air force.
189 fighters
30 fighter-bombers
26 bombers
12 strategic bombers
100 trainers
40 attack helicopters
50 transport planes and transport helicopters

Major foreign military suppliers if applicable: USA, France, UK
Extra Armed Forces details:
The Gran Colombian armed forces are heavily geared towards the terrain of the country, so much of the army is trained and equipped for mountain and jungle warfare.
Ongoing major and minor domestic Issues:

Memories of the War of the Pacific
As in OTL, Chile seized parts of Bolivia and Peru after the late 19th century War of the Pacific. The war dealt a crushing blow to the national prestige of Colombia and left Bolivia the only landlocked state of the federation. The incompetence of the army and the devastation visited on the inhabitants of the border region with Chile tore open the festering sores of the Colombian state and Colombian society. Bolivar's legacy, the shining beacon of Pan-Hispanic unity, destined to be the pre-eminent power of South America, was humiliated by Chile. Despite the recovery of Gran Colombia, each generation of Colombians carries erbfeindschaft towards the Chileans. One day, the ancestral humiliation will be avenged, the Litoral recovered, and Chile destroyed.

Effect: The unity of the federation is boosted by a shared hate for Chile and any compromise or cooperation with Chile on the international stage will be impossible.

Black Gold
Venezuelan oil has been critical to the modernization of Gran Colombia. Unlike OTL, Venezuela has developed into one of the most prosperous areas of Latin America and of the federation, thanks to long years of stability. Although Venezuela receives the lion's share, oil revenues are distributed around the federation, especially to the political center of Peru. To some degree, Venezuelans resent the flow of oil revenue out of their state. Although Venezuela is very much an oil-based economy, the economy of the overall federation is reasonably well-diversified. Competent political leadership has invested oil revenues into boosting infrastructure and developing the economies of the other federation states, to help them keep up with the Venezuelan juggernaut. More recently, oil has been discovered in the Chaco Boreal area of Bolivia and commercial exploitation has just begun.

Effect: Gran Colombia is affected by fluctuations in international oil prices, but has a large sovereign wealth fund. There is some mutual resentment between Venezuela and poorer regions of the federation.

The Yellow Peril
Despite being only a small portion of the population, Japanese-Colombians have outsize influence in the economy. Japanese-Colombians were not expelled during WWII, and so continued to snowball in economic power. Due to the cultural divide and ingrained distrust of elites, native Colombians are deeply suspicious of them and there are occasional race riots as native Colombians smash Japanese-Colombian property. Japanese-Colombians are largely excluded from politics by this racism.
Effect: Worse relations with Japan and the government must periodically undertake punitive action against Japanese-Colombians that disrupt the economy in order to placate the people.

The Canal
With significant foreign capital, Gran Colombia managed to construct the Panama Canal on its own in the early 20th century, and has controlled it wholly ever since. Since then, the economic importance of the Panama Canal has guided Gran Colombia down a path of cautious neutrality in foreign affairs, so as to avoid the economic disruption of lost trade through the Canal.
Effect: Gran Colombia may close the Panama Canal to unfriendly nations, but will suffer economic consequences.

Religion Breakdown
78% Catholic
14% Protestant
8% Other, Indigenous, Irreligious, or syncretic faiths
Political Breakdown
500 seats in the unicameral Federal House
MNF-412
Partido Liberal-56
Partido Socialista-24
Partido de los Ava-5 (5 seats are reserved in the Colombian Constitution as representation for the minorities of the Chaco Boreal)
Partido por la Independencia de Venezuela-3
History
As in OTL, Bolivar leads a successful campaign against the Spanish, and proclaims Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Panama, Colombia and Venezuela to be united as Gran Colombia, although his control of Peru and Bolivia is low. On September 25th, 1828, assassins break into the Presidential Palace of Gran Colombia. Bolivar is shot and killed. The same night, Sucre is jumped in his carriage, and also killed. The assassinations are coordinated by Páez, but suspicion falls upon Santander, the Vice-President, who has now assumed the office of President of Gran Colombia. Declaring Santander the mastermind of the plot, Páez raises his troops and marches on Bogotá. At some point during weeks of confused fighting, Santander is killed. With the three major centralists gone, Páez becomes the President of Gran Colombia. Recognizing the precarious situation, as independence movements continue to brew throughout the country, he proposes the radical federalist Constitution of 1829, which reconstitutes Gran Colombia as a weak federation with substantial power in the hands of local elites. Combined with his brutal campaigns against independence fighters, the Constitution manages to hold the country together. Bolivar, still thought to be assassinated by Santander, is effectively deified and turned into the patron saint of Gran Colombia. To fight for independence, then, is to spit on the legacy of El Libertador. Although campaigns in Peru and Bolivia continue for some years, their independence movements are sapped by the promise of great local autonomy granted by the Constitution of 1829 and the new cult of personality around Bolivar.

Although the Constitution of 1829 preserves Gran Colombia, it also leaves the government impotent, and the country wanes as local elites pursued their own interests. By 1879, the country is no better off than it was in 1829. Still, it is Bolivar's land, carrying on his vision of Pan-Hispanic unity. It stands proud, foremost among the nations of Latin America. It is impossible, then, for the rickety wooden Colombian fleet to be smashed by the smaller, but all-steel Chilean Navy. Well-drilled Chilean soldiers will never mow down lines of poorly trained Colombian militiamen. But, when Chileans parade in Lima and La Paz, when the Litoral is lost, who can deny it? Small Chile had dealt a crushing blow to Gran Colombia. The rot, the stagnation, the petty squabbles of local elites that had destroyed Bolivar's dream, of the last 50 years was laid bare. In the aftermath of the War of the Pacific, popular revolts sprung up around the nation, expressing the pure anger and frustration of the people with the venally corrupt government and the fall of Gran Colombia.

General Mariano Ignacio Prado, the former President of Gran Colombia, who had been deposed by Piérola, quickly emerged as the central figure of the popular movement. Piérola is deeply unpopular due to his mismanagement of the war, and in short order, civil war breaks out. In 1882, Piérola is captured. He is exiled to live out the rest of his life in ignominy in Europe, and Prado re-assumes the presidency. He promises a total revolution in Colombian government and society to achieve national rebirth, and avenge the humiliation inflicted by Chile. The Constitution of 1884 destroys the power of local elites, pulling nearly all power into the central government. Local legislatures are abolished, replaced by a single Federal House. However, the Federal Council is created as the central governing body, with one councilor elected from each state of the federation. Beyond selecting the federal President, each councilor also has significant latitude in governing their own state, providing some measure of self-government to the federal states. Following in the conservative tradition of Bolivar, senators and councilors are elected for life, and the franchise is significantly restricted. Although the system is oligarchic in character, due to deep distrust of entrenched elites due to the War of the Pacific, the politics of the new government are strongly personality-driven by charismatic, authoritarian populists.

Each generation of Colombians are taught that their duty is to participate in the national revival of Gran Colombia, preparing the country militarily and economically for vengeance against the Chileans. Although the state is not totalitarian in its methods, the single-minded devotion of its people to the nation bear some resemblance to a totalitarian society. Traidor chileno becomes a common insult towards the lazy or unproductive. For the first time, a federal military is formed, and two-year national service instituted.

By the 1930s, the country is moderately prosperous, and has the largest armed forces of any Latin American nation. It has 40 years of peace, except for a brief skirmish with Brazil, which led to Gran Colombia retaining Acre, but the country is still ready to take on any foe. That foe comes in the form of Paraguay, in the Chaco War. In 7 months, Paraguayan forces are out of the Chaco Boreal, and the entire region is annexed to Bolivia. With the Chaco War, Gran Colombia has cemented itself as one of the foremost powers of Latin America.

Gran Colombia has largely continued on the same since then, always growing in power and waiting for a day to finally destroy Chile and reclaim its rightful place.

Organization Membership: United Nations, Organization of American States, Mercosur
Public Goals: Retake lands lost to Chile, reduce reliance on Venezuelan oil, modernize air force
Private Goals Fulfill Bolivar's dream and establish Gran Colombia as hegemon of all Latin America.

Note: Colombians are people from anywhere in Gran Colombia. Colombians in OTL are called (New) Granadans, since they are from the state of New Granada.
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:11 pm

Latin America wasn't invaded by a imperialist power that commited countless warcrimes in the 20th century. Warcrimes that Japan that probably hasn't acknowledged yet. How would Cuba like it if the US invaded, killed 600,000 civilians and annexed the entire island?
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Postby Deblar » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:16 pm

Concejos Unidos wrote:
Nationstates Name: Concejos Unidos

Nation Name: Federal States of Colombia (Gran Colombia)
Capital: Bogotá (executive), Lima (legislative), Caracas (judicial)
Type of Government: Oligarchic Democracy
Head of Government and State: Fabián Palacio
Picture of Leader (Image)
Party in Power: Movimiento Nacional para la Federación (MNF)
Executive Title: Federal President
Flag

Currency: New Colombian Peso
Population: 138 million
GDP (ppp): 1.4 trillion (higher than real-world GDP b/c Venezuela isn't completely collapsed in this world)
GDP Growth (real): 2.1%
Inflation: 1.7%
Population below poverty line: 22%
Gini: 61
Value of currency compared to United States Dollar: 2.3 NAP: 1 USD
Major trade partners: Brazil, Mexico, USA

Total military size: 750,000 active, 800,000 reserve
Breakdown of ground forces:
450,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the army.
Tanks: 900
Treaded APC: 4500
Assorted Artillery: 550
Breakdown of naval naval forces
200,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the navy or naval aviation.
Battleships: 2
Frigates: 23
Submarines: 20
Minor ships: 46
26 ASW helicopters
80 fighter-bombers
30 interceptors
7 mine warfare planes
13 reconnaissance
Breakdown of air forces
100,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the air force.
189 fighters
30 fighter-bombers
26 bombers
12 strategic bombers
100 trainers
40 attack helicopters
50 transport planes and transport helicopters

Major foreign military suppliers if applicable: USA, France, UK
Extra Armed Forces details:
The Gran Colombian armed forces are heavily geared towards the terrain of the country, so much of the army is trained and equipped for mountain and jungle warfare.
Ongoing major and minor domestic Issues:

Memories of the War of the Pacific
As in OTL, Chile seized parts of Bolivia and Peru after the late 19th century War of the Pacific. The war dealt a crushing blow to the national prestige of Colombia and left Bolivia the only landlocked state of the federation. The incompetence of the army and the devastation visited on the inhabitants of the border region with Chile tore open the festering sores of the Colombian state and Colombian society. Bolivar's legacy, the shining beacon of Pan-Hispanic unity, destined to be the pre-eminent power of South America, was humiliated by Chile. Despite the recovery of Colombia, each generation of Andeans carries erbfeindschaft towards the Chileans. One day, the ancestral humiliation will be avenged, the Litoral recovered, and Chile destroyed.

Effect: The unity of the federation is boosted by a shared hate for Chile and any compromise or cooperation with Chile on the international stage will be impossible.

Black Gold
Venezuelan oil has been critical to the modernization of Gran Colombia. Unlike OTL, Venezuela has developed into one of the most prosperous areas of Latin America and of the federation, thanks to long years of stability. Although Venezuela receives the lion's share, oil revenues are distributed around the federation, especially to the political center of Peru. To some degree, Venezuelans resent the flow of oil revenue out of their state. Although Venezuela is very much an oil-based economy, the economy of the overall federation is reasonably well-diversified. Competent political leadership has invested oil revenues into boosting infrastructure and developing the economies of the other federation states, to help them keep up with the Venezuelan juggernaut. More recently, oil has been discovered in the Chaco Boreal area of Bolivia and commercial exploitation has just begun.

Effect: Colombia is affected by fluctuations in international oil prices, but has a large sovereign wealth fund. There is some mutual resentment between Venezuela and poorer regions of the federation.

The Yellow Peril
Despite being only a small portion of the population, Japanese-Colombians have outsize influence in the economy. Japanese-Colombians were not expelled during WWII, and so continued to snowball in economic power. Due to the cultural divide and ingrained distrust of elites, native Colombians are deeply suspicious of them and there are occasional race riots as native Colombians smash Japanese-Colombian property. Japanese-Colombians are largely excluded from politics by this racism.
Effect: Worse relations with Japan and the government must periodically undertake punitive action against Japanese-Colombians that disrupt the economy in order to placate the people.

Religion Breakdown
78% Catholic
14% Protestant
8% Other, Indigenous, Irreligious, or syncretic faiths
Political Breakdown
500 seats in the unicameral Federal House
MNF-412
Partido Liberal-56
Partido Socialista-24
Partido de los Ava-5 (5 seats are reserved in the Colombian Constitution as representation for the minorities of the Chaco Boreal)
Partido por la Independencia de Venezuela-3
History
As in OTL, Bolivar leads a successful campaign against the Spanish, and proclaims Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Panama, Colombia and Venezuela to be united as Gran Colombia, although his control of Peru and Bolivia is low. On September 25th, 1828, assassins break into the Presidential Palace of Gran Colombia. Bolivar is shot and killed. The same night, Sucre is jumped in his carriage, and also killed. The assassinations are coordinated by Páez, but suspicion falls upon Santander, the Vice-President, who has now assumed the office of President of Gran Colombia. Declaring Santander the mastermind of the plot, Páez raises his troops and marches on Bogotá. At some point during weeks of confused fighting, Santander is killed. With the three major centralists gone, Páez becomes the President of Gran Colombia. Recognizing the precarious situation, as independence movements continue to brew throughout the country, he proposes the radical federalist Constitution of 1829, which reconstitutes Gran Colombia as a weak federation with substantial power in the hands of local elites. Combined with his brutal campaigns against independence fighters, the Constitution manages to hold the country together. Bolivar, still thought to be assassinated by Santander, is effectively deified and turned into the patron saint of Gran Colombia. To fight for independence, then, is to spit on the legacy of El Libertador. Although campaigns in Peru and Bolivia continue for some years, their independence movements are sapped by the promise of great local autonomy granted by the Constitution of 1829 and the new cult of personality around Bolivar.

Although the Constitution of 1829 preserves Gran Colombia, it also leaves the government impotent, and the country wanes as local elites pursued their own interests. By 1879, the country is no better off than it was in 1829. Still, it is Bolivar's land, carrying on his vision of Pan-Hispanic unity. It stands proud, foremost among the nations of Latin America. It is impossible, then, for the rickety wooden Colombian fleet to be smashed by the smaller, but all-steel Chilean Navy. Well-drilled Chilean soldiers will never mow down lines of poorly trained Colombian militiamen. But, when Chileans parade in Lima and La Paz, when the Litoral is lost, who can deny it? Small Chile had dealt a crushing blow to Gran Colombia. The rot, the stagnation, the petty squabbles of local elites that had destroyed Bolivar's dream, of the last 50 years was laid bare. In the aftermath of the War of the Pacific, popular revolts sprung up around the nation, expressing the pure anger and frustration of the people with the venally corrupt government and the fall of Gran Colombia.

General Mariano Ignacio Prado, the former President of Gran Colombia, who had been deposed by Piérola, quickly emerged as the central figure of the popular movement. Piérola is deeply unpopular due to his mismanagement of the war, and in short order, civil war breaks out. In 1882, Piérola is captured. He is exiled to live out the rest of his life in ignominy in Europe, and Prado re-assumes the presidency. He promises a total revolution in Colombian government and society to achieve national rebirth, and avenge the humiliation inflicted by Chile. The Constitution of 1884 destroys the power of local elites, pulling nearly all power into the central government. Local legislatures are abolished, replaced by a single Federal House. However, the Federal Council is created as the central governing body, with one councilor elected from each state of the federation. Beyond selecting the federal President, each councilor also has significant latitude in governing their own state, providing some measure of self-government to the federal states. Following in the conservative tradition of Bolivar, senators and councilors are elected for life, and the franchise is significantly restricted. Although the system is oligarchic in character, due to deep distrust of entrenched elites due to the War of the Pacific, the politics of the new government are strongly personality-driven by charismatic, authoritarian populists.

Each generation of Colombians are taught that their duty is to participate in the national revival of Gran Colombia, preparing the country militarily and economically for vengeance against the Chileans. Although the state is not totalitarian in its methods, the single-minded devotion of its people to the nation bear some resemblance to a totalitarian society. Traidor chileno becomes a common insult towards the lazy or unproductive. For the first time, a federal military is formed, and two-year national service instituted.

By the 1930s, the country is moderately prosperous, and has the largest armed forces of any Latin American nation. It has 40 years of peace, except for a brief skirmish with Brazil, which led to Gran Colombia retaining Acre, but the country is still ready to take on any foe. That foe comes in the form of Paraguay, in the Chaco War. In 7 months, Paraguayan forces are out of the Chaco Boreal, and the entire region is annexed to Bolivia. With the Chaco War, Gran Colombia has cemented itself as one of the foremost powers of Latin America.

Gran Colombia has largely continued on the same since then, always growing in power and waiting for a day to finally destroy Chile and reclaim its rightful place.

Organization Membership: United Nations, Organization of American States
Public Goals: Retake lands lost to Chile, reduce reliance on Venezuelan oil, modernize air force
Private Goals Fulfill Bolivar's dream and establish Gran Colombia as hegemon of all Latin America.

Note: Colombians are people from anywhere in Gran Colombia. Colombians in OTL are called (New) Granadans, since they are from the state of New Granada.

Ah yes, more Latin American buddies.

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Postby Deblar » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:16 pm

Union Princes wrote:Latin America wasn't invaded by a imperialist power that commited countless warcrimes in the 20th century. Warcrimes that Japan that probably hasn't acknowledged yet. How would Cuba like it if the US invaded, killed 600,000 civilians and annexed the entire island?

Fair point.

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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:24 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
I would understand that Britain will be facing off with the US, however some British support for Japan in whatever way possible would be appreciated. Japan would be interested in hiring PMCs or advisors from Britain to help train the troops so experienced troops could be sent to the front lines.

Japan will be trying to contact the US and encouraging it to exercise restraint against Britain, and it will try its best to lobby it to avoid hostilities all together.

I can send some PMCs and advisers your way.


That would be very appreciated. Did you see my offer to "lease" HK under British administration just so you could get some money and it stays out of Chinese hands?

Union Princes wrote:With blockade runners and the such. With America in a civil war, Russia and the Middle East are the next sources for oil, which I can try to buy from through Burma and Mongolia


If that is your first option, how are you not in a poor of a position of WW2 China? China is going to have a fun time. It is a major exporter, and Japan controls all of the choke points in the region.

Union Princes wrote:Latin America wasn't invaded by a imperialist power that commited countless warcrimes in the 20th century. Warcrimes that Japan that probably hasn't acknowledged yet. How would Cuba like it if the US invaded, killed 600,000 civilians and annexed the entire island?


You know what would be really great to acknowledge? My question about the casualties. Otherwise I will proceed with what I have already said. I have given 3, now 4 chances to say yes or object.
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Postby Segmentia » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:27 pm

I will say that India won't tolerate any interference with it's shipping.
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Postby Imperialisium » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:27 pm

There is a pipeline that goes from Russian Central Asia to East Turkmenistan then to China. There is another going through Mongolia into Manchuria. The latter either branches into the local Manchurian network or is distributed by other means.

Also why I was advising UP to not invade those countries since he’d just be risking his own oil supply. So while sure, he’ll have less supply since maritime oil tankers won’t be able to dock, but with war communism and most oil being used by the State planned economy anyways. He’d just impose oil rationing to make sure deliveries to the military and vital industrial manufacturers keeps going. Or, well I would impose that at any rate. Can’t really make him do anything.
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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:29 pm

Segmentia wrote:I will say that India won't tolerate any interference with it's shipping.


You should have nothing to fear. Japan will be escorting shipping to keep it safe from both attack and minefields. Unless you ship weapons directly to China which is a violation of neutrality in itself, you are fine.
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:31 pm

Ship food, India. It would be a great help.

As for Japan, I'll edit in those 1000 casualties you want. I'm too worn out to haggle with the details right now
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Postby Segmentia » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:31 pm

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Segmentia wrote:I will say that India won't tolerate any interference with it's shipping.


You should have nothing to fear. Japan will be escorting shipping to keep it safe from both attack and minefields. Unless you ship weapons directly to China which is a violation of neutrality in itself, you are fine.


I'm not really in a position to be selling weapons to either side, as much as I'd like to make a profit from it, but non-military shipping to China might still be on-going. All of our economies are going to take a hit thanks to the US imploding, I'd rather not make it worse by my imports and exports getting screwed over.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:35 pm

Union Princes wrote:With blockade runners and the such. With America in a civil war, Russia and the Middle East are the next sources for oil, which I can try to buy from through Burma and Mongolia


Worst comes to worst, China has ridiculous coal reserves. It's pretty energy intensive and not ideal, but worst comes to worst, you can make synthetic oil.

IRL Apartheid-era South Africa did this during the 1970s and 1980s. And IRL China is the largest user of the technology.
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:36 pm

Monsone wrote:Worst comes to worst, China has ridiculous coal reserves. It's pretty energy intensive and not ideal, but worst comes to worst, you can make synthetic oil.

IRL Apartheid-era South Africa did this during the 1970s and 1980s. And IRL China is the largest user of the technology.


Won't that cause serious pollution?
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Postby Segmentia » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:38 pm

Union Princes wrote:
Monsone wrote:Worst comes to worst, China has ridiculous coal reserves. It's pretty energy intensive and not ideal, but worst comes to worst, you can make synthetic oil.

IRL Apartheid-era South Africa did this during the 1970s and 1980s. And IRL China is the largest user of the technology.


Won't that cause serious pollution?


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Postby Deblar » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:38 pm

Union Princes wrote:
Monsone wrote:Worst comes to worst, China has ridiculous coal reserves. It's pretty energy intensive and not ideal, but worst comes to worst, you can make synthetic oil.

IRL Apartheid-era South Africa did this during the 1970s and 1980s. And IRL China is the largest user of the technology.


Won't that cause serious pollution?

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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:39 pm

Union Princes wrote:Ship food, India. It would be a great help.

As for Japan, I'll edit in those 1000 casualties you want. I'm too worn out to haggle with the details right now


I am not asking you to edit anything. I want to know what the extent of damage to bases was and what equipment was damaged or destroyed so it can be included in my post. If you want, I will go off of my assessment. That is what I have been asking.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:41 pm

Union Princes wrote:Won't that cause serious pollution?


Well yeah, but that's not something the Chinese military would care about.
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:43 pm

Wait, are you referring to the ground installations and vehicles parked at the bases and ports?
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Postby Imperialisium » Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:13 pm

Monsone wrote:
Union Princes wrote:Won't that cause serious pollution?


Well yeah, but that's not something the Chinese military would care about.


China already has to have smog clearing days. Under war time stress I doubt the average chinese citizen is going to care and the military def won't care.
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Postby Imperialisium » Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:14 pm

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Nationstates Name Speyland

Nation Name Vatican City/Holy See
Capital Vatican City
Type of Government Unitary Christian absolute monarchy
Head of State(s) Pope Francis
Head of Government (if applicable) Same as above.
Picture of Leader
Party in Power N/A
Executive Title Pope, obviously.
Flag

Currency Vatican franc
Population 1,000
GDP N/A
GDP Growth N/A
Inflation N/A
Population below poverty line N/A
Gini N/A
Value of currency compared to United States Dollar $10
Major trade partners Italy

Total military size 134
Breakdown of ground forces 134 (Pontifical Swiss Guard)
Breakdown of naval naval forces 0
Breakdown of air forces 0
Major foreign military suppliers if applicable Italy
Extra Armed Forces details N/A

Ongoing major and minor domestic Issues

Female Pope Controversy
Pope Francis recently made a decree that women are allowed to take the position of pope. However, government officials within the Holy See are against the idea that it is taboo for women to become pope. Interestingly enough, according to legend, Pope Joan was a woman who reigned as pope for an unknown number of years during the Middle Ages. Her story was thought to be true for centuries, but most modern scholars regard it as fictional. Gwen Pugh, a 67-year-old Welsh nun, is eligible to be elected as the first female pope if Pope Francis were to resign or die. His decision leaves the Holy See in a state of a heated debate, and it's yet to be resolved.


Religion Breakdown 100% Roman Catholic
Political Breakdown N/A
History Vatican City's history remains the same as OTL. The only difference being that Pope Francis recently made a decree that women are allowed to take the position of the pope, but others within the Holy See are against this idea which leaves a heated debate of whether or not females are allowed access to the Holy See which is yet to be resolved.
Organization Membership N/A
Goals Public and Private

Public: To remain neutral for the longest time and avoid a country's (Italy, mostly) political affairs.

Private: By resolving an issue by whether or not women should take the position of pope.

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Postby Imperialisium » Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:46 pm

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Nationstates Name: Concejos Unidos

Nation Name: Federal States of Colombia (Gran Colombia)
Area: Modern-day Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and the Chaco Boreal region of Paraguay
Capital: Bogotá (executive), Lima (legislative), Caracas (judicial)
Type of Government: Oligarchic Democracy
Head of Government and State: Fabián Palacio
Picture of Leader (Image)
Party in Power: Movimiento Nacional para la Federación (MNF)
Executive Title: Federal President
Flag

Currency: New Colombian Peso
Population: 138 million
GDP (ppp): 1.4 trillion (higher than real-world GDP b/c Venezuela isn't completely collapsed in this world)
GDP Growth (real): 2.1%
Inflation: 1.7%
Population below poverty line: 22%
Gini: 61
Value of currency compared to United States Dollar: 2.3 NAP: 1 USD
Major trade partners: Brazil, Mexico, USA

Total military size: 750,000 active, 800,000 reserve
Breakdown of ground forces:
450,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the army.
Tanks: 900
Treaded APC: 4500
Assorted Artillery: 550
Breakdown of naval naval forces
200,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the navy or naval aviation.
Battleships: 2
Frigates: 23
Submarines: 20
Minor ships: 46
26 ASW helicopters
80 fighter-bombers
30 interceptors
7 mine warfare planes
13 reconnaissance
Breakdown of air forces
100,000 of active armed forces personnel serve in the air force.
189 fighters
30 fighter-bombers
26 bombers
12 strategic bombers
100 trainers
40 attack helicopters
50 transport planes and transport helicopters

Major foreign military suppliers if applicable: USA, France, UK
Extra Armed Forces details:
The Gran Colombian armed forces are heavily geared towards the terrain of the country, so much of the army is trained and equipped for mountain and jungle warfare.
Ongoing major and minor domestic Issues:

Memories of the War of the Pacific
As in OTL, Chile seized parts of Bolivia and Peru after the late 19th century War of the Pacific. The war dealt a crushing blow to the national prestige of Colombia and left Bolivia the only landlocked state of the federation. The incompetence of the army and the devastation visited on the inhabitants of the border region with Chile tore open the festering sores of the Colombian state and Colombian society. Bolivar's legacy, the shining beacon of Pan-Hispanic unity, destined to be the pre-eminent power of South America, was humiliated by Chile. Despite the recovery of Gran Colombia, each generation of Colombians carries erbfeindschaft towards the Chileans. One day, the ancestral humiliation will be avenged, the Litoral recovered, and Chile destroyed.

Effect: The unity of the federation is boosted by a shared hate for Chile and any compromise or cooperation with Chile on the international stage will be impossible.

Black Gold
Venezuelan oil has been critical to the modernization of Gran Colombia. Unlike OTL, Venezuela has developed into one of the most prosperous areas of Latin America and of the federation, thanks to long years of stability. Although Venezuela receives the lion's share, oil revenues are distributed around the federation, especially to the political center of Peru. To some degree, Venezuelans resent the flow of oil revenue out of their state. Although Venezuela is very much an oil-based economy, the economy of the overall federation is reasonably well-diversified. Competent political leadership has invested oil revenues into boosting infrastructure and developing the economies of the other federation states, to help them keep up with the Venezuelan juggernaut. More recently, oil has been discovered in the Chaco Boreal area of Bolivia and commercial exploitation has just begun.

Effect: Gran Colombia is affected by fluctuations in international oil prices, but has a large sovereign wealth fund. There is some mutual resentment between Venezuela and poorer regions of the federation.

The Yellow Peril
Despite being only a small portion of the population, Japanese-Colombians have outsize influence in the economy. Japanese-Colombians were not expelled during WWII, and so continued to snowball in economic power. Due to the cultural divide and ingrained distrust of elites, native Colombians are deeply suspicious of them and there are occasional race riots as native Colombians smash Japanese-Colombian property. Japanese-Colombians are largely excluded from politics by this racism.
Effect: Worse relations with Japan and the government must periodically undertake punitive action against Japanese-Colombians that disrupt the economy in order to placate the people.

The Canal
With significant foreign capital, Gran Colombia managed to construct the Panama Canal on its own in the early 20th century, and has controlled it wholly ever since. Since then, the economic importance of the Panama Canal has guided Gran Colombia down a path of cautious neutrality in foreign affairs, so as to avoid the economic disruption of lost trade through the Canal.
Effect: Gran Colombia may close the Panama Canal to unfriendly nations, but will suffer economic consequences.

Religion Breakdown
78% Catholic
14% Protestant
8% Other, Indigenous, Irreligious, or syncretic faiths
Political Breakdown
500 seats in the unicameral Federal House
MNF-412
Partido Liberal-56
Partido Socialista-24
Partido de los Ava-5 (5 seats are reserved in the Colombian Constitution as representation for the minorities of the Chaco Boreal)
Partido por la Independencia de Venezuela-3
History
As in OTL, Bolivar leads a successful campaign against the Spanish, and proclaims Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Panama, Colombia and Venezuela to be united as Gran Colombia, although his control of Peru and Bolivia is low. On September 25th, 1828, assassins break into the Presidential Palace of Gran Colombia. Bolivar is shot and killed. The same night, Sucre is jumped in his carriage, and also killed. The assassinations are coordinated by Páez, but suspicion falls upon Santander, the Vice-President, who has now assumed the office of President of Gran Colombia. Declaring Santander the mastermind of the plot, Páez raises his troops and marches on Bogotá. At some point during weeks of confused fighting, Santander is killed. With the three major centralists gone, Páez becomes the President of Gran Colombia. Recognizing the precarious situation, as independence movements continue to brew throughout the country, he proposes the radical federalist Constitution of 1829, which reconstitutes Gran Colombia as a weak federation with substantial power in the hands of local elites. Combined with his brutal campaigns against independence fighters, the Constitution manages to hold the country together. Bolivar, still thought to be assassinated by Santander, is effectively deified and turned into the patron saint of Gran Colombia. To fight for independence, then, is to spit on the legacy of El Libertador. Although campaigns in Peru and Bolivia continue for some years, their independence movements are sapped by the promise of great local autonomy granted by the Constitution of 1829 and the new cult of personality around Bolivar.

Although the Constitution of 1829 preserves Gran Colombia, it also leaves the government impotent, and the country wanes as local elites pursued their own interests. By 1879, the country is no better off than it was in 1829. Still, it is Bolivar's land, carrying on his vision of Pan-Hispanic unity. It stands proud, foremost among the nations of Latin America. It is impossible, then, for the rickety wooden Colombian fleet to be smashed by the smaller, but all-steel Chilean Navy. Well-drilled Chilean soldiers will never mow down lines of poorly trained Colombian militiamen. But, when Chileans parade in Lima and La Paz, when the Litoral is lost, who can deny it? Small Chile had dealt a crushing blow to Gran Colombia. The rot, the stagnation, the petty squabbles of local elites that had destroyed Bolivar's dream, of the last 50 years was laid bare. In the aftermath of the War of the Pacific, popular revolts sprung up around the nation, expressing the pure anger and frustration of the people with the venally corrupt government and the fall of Gran Colombia.

General Mariano Ignacio Prado, the former President of Gran Colombia, who had been deposed by Piérola, quickly emerged as the central figure of the popular movement. Piérola is deeply unpopular due to his mismanagement of the war, and in short order, civil war breaks out. In 1882, Piérola is captured. He is exiled to live out the rest of his life in ignominy in Europe, and Prado re-assumes the presidency. He promises a total revolution in Colombian government and society to achieve national rebirth, and avenge the humiliation inflicted by Chile. The Constitution of 1884 destroys the power of local elites, pulling nearly all power into the central government. Local legislatures are abolished, replaced by a single Federal House. However, the Federal Council is created as the central governing body, with one councilor elected from each state of the federation. Beyond selecting the federal President, each councilor also has significant latitude in governing their own state, providing some measure of self-government to the federal states. Following in the conservative tradition of Bolivar, senators and councilors are elected for life, and the franchise is significantly restricted. Although the system is oligarchic in character, due to deep distrust of entrenched elites due to the War of the Pacific, the politics of the new government are strongly personality-driven by charismatic, authoritarian populists.

Each generation of Colombians are taught that their duty is to participate in the national revival of Gran Colombia, preparing the country militarily and economically for vengeance against the Chileans. Although the state is not totalitarian in its methods, the single-minded devotion of its people to the nation bear some resemblance to a totalitarian society. Traidor chileno becomes a common insult towards the lazy or unproductive. For the first time, a federal military is formed, and two-year national service instituted.

By the 1930s, the country is moderately prosperous, and has the largest armed forces of any Latin American nation. It has 40 years of peace, except for a brief skirmish with Brazil, which led to Gran Colombia retaining Acre, but the country is still ready to take on any foe. That foe comes in the form of Paraguay, in the Chaco War. In 7 months, Paraguayan forces are out of the Chaco Boreal, and the entire region is annexed to Bolivia. With the Chaco War, Gran Colombia has cemented itself as one of the foremost powers of Latin America.

Gran Colombia has largely continued on the same since then, always growing in power and waiting for a day to finally destroy Chile and reclaim its rightful place.

Organization Membership: United Nations, Organization of American States, Mercosur
Public Goals: Retake lands lost to Chile, reduce reliance on Venezuelan oil, modernize air force
Private Goals Fulfill Bolivar's dream and establish Gran Colombia as hegemon of all Latin America.

Note: Colombians are people from anywhere in Gran Colombia. Colombians in OTL are called (New) Granadans, since they are from the state of New Granada.


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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:00 pm

I made this movie poster of Death of Chiang It's about 1900 pixels high I can't post it as an image here. Its gonna be an in universe alternate media
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:26 pm

Nationstates Name The Knockout Gun Gals

Nation Name Sultanate of Oman
Capital Nizwa
Type of Government Unitary Islamist Absolute Monarchy / Imamate
Head of State(s) Imam Haitham bin Tariq
Head of Government (if applicable) Imam Haitham bin Tariq
Picture of Leader
Image

Party in Power N/A, as Imamate, there are no political parties allowed.
Executive Title Imam of Oman
Flag
Image


Currency Omani rial
Population 5,125,900
GDP $79.277 billion
GDP Growth 2,7%
Inflation 0,9%
Population below poverty line 10,90%
Gini
Value of currency compared to United States Dollar 1.00 Omani rial = 2.60 US Dollar
Major trade partners Japan, United States, United Kingdom, India, UAE, Singapore, Thailand, Italy

Total military size 230,000 (130,000 active and 100,000 reserve)
Breakdown of ground forces
160,000 personnel (80,000 active and 60,000 reserves)
Armored Vehicles : 675
Trucks : 120
Field Artillery : 300
Air Defense : 100

Breakdown of naval naval forces
10,000 personnel (7,000 active and 3,000 reserves)
29 surface combatants
45 patrol vessels
6 Amphibious vessels
6 Auxilliaries

Breakdown of air forces
30,000 personnel (18,000 active and 12,000 reserves)
50 combat aircraft
4 maritime patrol
11 transport
35 helicopters
40 trainers

Major foreign military suppliers if applicable
Extra Armed Forces details

Ongoing major and minor domestic Issues

Religion Breakdown
Political Breakdown
History
Organization Membership
Goals Public and Private

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TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Concejos Unidos » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:51 pm

Imperialisium wrote:-snip-


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One thing I forgot to make clear at the top: Gran Colombia also has the Brazilian state of Acre.
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