67 Palestinian and 7 Israeli Civilians Killed in Conflict

[Suriyanakhon]

Whatever that means

Since I had to bear a false accusation of fascism and you are to my right, it does not mean much.

[Saiwania]

That city should be split in half, and we should have a two state solution.

If Palestine/Jordan or another Arab coalition wins a war against Israel, then I'd be in favor of Jerusalem being divided or switching over to being ceded entirely from Israel. But because Israel won so thoroughly in 1967 and the situation hasn't changed, I view the Jewish claim on all of Jerusalem to be stronger.

I'd be willing to give all of Jerusalem over to Israel, provided Israel doesn't inferfere with any Islamic sites and allows the Arabs to visit. I'm not seeing a strong enough basis for Palestine to be granted territory in Jerusalem unless there are indeed places in Jerusalem's old city that aren't under any physical control by Israel whatsoever.

[NationStates Puppet]

That city should be split in half, and we should have a two state solution.

If Palestine/Jordan or another Arab coalition wins a war against Israel, then I'd be in favor of Jerusalem being divided or switching over to being ceded entirely from Israel. But because Israel won so thoroughly in 1967 and the situation hasn't changed, I view the Jewish claim on all of Jerusalem to be stronger.

I'd be willing to give all of Jerusalem over to Israel, provided Israel doesn't not inferfere with any Islamic sites and allows the Arabs to visit. I'm not seeing a strong enough basis for Palestine to be granted territory in Jerusalem unless there are indeed places in Jerusalem's old city that aren't under any physical control by Israel whatsoever.

Um... they are asking for half the city, and the half that is majority arab.

[Suriyanakhon]

Not persecuting minorities is cuckholdry now apparently.

like Israel and palestine, everyone is a victim am I right?

crazy how it's always the muslim community who is a victim even though most of their history is conquest and colonization.

It's almost as though the Middle East and North Africa were colonized by Western empires for hundreds of years and the Muslim community of today isn't the caliphate.

[Saiwania]

Um... they are asking for half the city, and the half that is majority arab.

So why does Israel want the entire place to be their capital if it'd mean governing the Arab half as well? I'd think that Israel could embrace the opportunity to stay majority Jewish to a further extent.

[Jutlop]

Barely relevant, but I just found out yesterday that Netanyahu is American. He's from Philadelphia.

I mean, it's kinda unsurprising,
Israel grants all jews from europe and north america around the world insta citizenship

[Jutlop]

Um... they are asking for half the city, and the half that is majority arab.

So why does Israel want the entire place to be their capital if it'd mean governing the Arab half as well? I'd think that Israel could embrace the opportunity to stay majority Jewish to a further extent.

israel is trying to turn the other half into a jewish majority

[Nakena]

Copium, not opium.

The United States are the world leading producer of copium in various flavors.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Um... they are asking for half the city, and the half that is majority arab.

So why does Israel want the entire place to be their capital if it'd mean governing the Arab half as well? I'd think that Israel could embrace the opportunity to stay majority Jewish to a further extent.

Are you implicating that it isn't majority arab?

[Saiwania]

Are you implicating that it isn't majority arab?

Its difficult to say for sure what it is in the most broad sense if Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all want to claim the city as theirs to some extent.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Are you implicating that it isn't majority arab?

Its difficult to say for sure what it is in the most broad sense if Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all want to claim the city as theirs to some extent.

But the Eastern half has an Arab majority.

[Saiwania]

Israel is trying to turn the other half into a jewish majority

I've looked at the math and that effort is probably going to fail. If Eastern Jerusalem manages to stay primarily Arab beyond 2030 at latest, Israel should just agree to divide the city between them and Palestine.

[Jutlop]

Israel is trying to turn the other half into a jewish majority

I've looked at the math and that effort is probably going to fail. If Eastern Jerusalem manages to stay primarily Arab beyond 2030 at latest, Israel should just agree to divide the city between them and Palestine.

not with the settlements
how do you think the conflict in shiek jarrah erupted

[Saiwania]

not with the settlements, how do you think the conflict in shiek jarrah erupted

It is purely because residents there are now under Israel's jurisdiction or within their internationally recognized borders (occupied territory or not) on a de facto basis as a result of the 1967 war being lost by the Arab side. An Israeli court wanted to enforce some evictions which may well be considered valid, just as another claim at a different time would be considered more valid were it Jordan for example, that was the governing power in the area and say, a Jewish family was being evicted.

Yes, it sucks for the homeowner. But they have to either move or fight the court via the same process or legal means if possible.

[Celritannia]

not with the settlements, how do you think the conflict in shiek jarrah erupted

It is purely because residents there are now under Israel's jurisdiction or within their internationally recognized borders (occupied territory or not) on a de facto basis as a result of the 1967 war being lost by the Arab side. An Israeli court wanted to enforce some evictions which may well be considered valid, just as another claim at a different time would be considered more valid were it Jordan for example, that was the governing power in the area and say, a Jewish family was being evicted.

Yes, it sucks for the homeowner. But they have to either move or fight the court via the same process or legal means if possible.

When the Allies won WW2, did they kick people out of their homes and replace them with their own citizens?

[The Huskar Social Union]

It is purely because residents there are now under Israel's jurisdiction or within their internationally recognized borders (occupied territory or not) on a de facto basis as a result of the 1967 war being lost by the Arab side. An Israeli court wanted to enforce some evictions which may well be considered valid, just as another claim at a different time would be considered more valid were it Jordan for example, that was the governing power in the area and say, a Jewish family was being evicted.

Yes, it sucks for the homeowner. But they have to either move or fight the court via the same process or legal means if possible.

When the Allies won WW2, did they kick people out of their homes and replace them with their own citizens?

...Actually yes that happened in Poland in ww2 where Germans were pushed out of their homes as the land now belonged to Poland and the USSR and they were replaced.

[Celritannia]

When the Allies won WW2, did they kick people out of their homes and replace them with their own citizens?

...Actually yes that happened in Poland in ww2 where Germans were pushed out of their homes as the land now belonged to Poland and the USSR and they were replaced.

Were those Germans who lived there after the Third Reich took over half of Poland? Or long before that?

[The Huskar Social Union]

...Actually yes that happened in Poland in ww2 where Germans were pushed out of their homes as the land now belonged to Poland and the USSR and they were replaced.

Were those Germans who lived there after the Third Reich took over half of Poland? Or long before that?

The areas in red saw large population transfers and evacuations during and after WW2, they belonged to Germany before the war but were annexed by Poland afterwards.

[Washington Resistance Army]

...Actually yes that happened in Poland in ww2 where Germans were pushed out of their homes as the land now belonged to Poland and the USSR and they were replaced.

Were those Germans who lived there after the Third Reich took over half of Poland? Or long before that?

Long before. It was an immense ethnic cleansing and is entirely impossible to defend morally.

[Saiwania]

When the Allies won WW2, did they kick people out of their homes and replace them with their own citizens?

To some extent I'd say. Former German territory east of the Oder river was ceded to Poland and the Soviet Union/Russia on top of what was lost to various countries from losing WWI, such as Alsace Lorraine going back to France. Plus there were a lot of population transfers or expulsions of Germans to Germany after WWII.

[Celritannia]

Were those Germans who lived there after the Third Reich took over half of Poland? Or long before that?

The areas in red saw large population transfers and evacuations during and after WW2, they belonged to Germany before the war but were annexed by Poland afterwards.

Were those Germans who lived there after the Third Reich took over half of Poland? Or long before that?

Long before. It was an immense ethnic cleansing and is entirely impossible to defend morally.

Yeah, but this was also assisted by another authoritarian power at the time.

I'm not sure anything like this was as brutal under the Western forces though, with France being a slight exception.

[Celritannia]

When the Allies won WW2, did they kick people out of their homes and replace them with their own citizens?

To some extent I'd say. Former German territory east of the Oder river was ceded to Poland and the Soviet Union/Russia on top of what was lost to various countries from losing WWI, such as Alsace Lorraine going back to France. Plus there were a lot of population transfers or expulsions of Germans to Germany after WWII.

Yeah, but I'm not really looking at this pre-WW2 since the concept of borders before WW2 were not really as defined.

[Saiwania]

Yeah, but I'm not really looking at this pre-WW2 since the concept of borders before WW2 were not really as defined.

The concept of borders was perfectly defined before 20th century, although perhaps there didn't exist the passport systems or international treaties about travel and citizenship/residency in use today.

[Celritannia]

Yeah, but I'm not really looking at this pre-WW2 since the concept of borders before WW2 were not really as defined.

The concept of borders was perfectly defined before 20th century, although perhaps there didn't exist the passport systems or international treaties about travel and citizenship/residency in use today.

Not really.

And this is why Israel has no justification for stealing land.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Since I had to bear a false accusation of fascism and you are to my right, it does not mean much.

I'm flattered you actually think I'm a Nazi.