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by Calamari Lands » Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:32 am
by Uan aa Boa » Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:17 am
by Boston Castle » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:03 pm
Uan aa Boa wrote:I'm still not sure about crimes committed by "a significant number" of an organisation's members. How many major bombings or mass shootings does an organisation need to be implicated in for it to be apparent that there's a problem?
by Uan aa Boa » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:50 pm
by Bananaistan » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:09 pm
Boston Castle wrote:Uan aa Boa wrote:I'm still not sure about crimes committed by "a significant number" of an organisation's members. How many major bombings or mass shootings does an organisation need to be implicated in for it to be apparent that there's a problem?
To give you a real world example of this: would the government of the United Kingdom be right, under the terms of this resolution, to ban Sinn Fein due to the ("alleged") former involvement of some of their members with the IRA? Bear in mind that SF committed atrocities during the Troubles including bombings and assassinations.
And this would be an...especially tricky case given that Sinn Fein maintains no actual ties with the IRA or its successor organizations to my knowledge.
by Calamari Lands » Wed May 05, 2021 2:12 pm
Uan aa Boa wrote:I'm still not sure about crimes committed by "a significant number" of an organisation's members. How many major bombings or mass shootings does an organisation need to be implicated in for it to be apparent that there's a problem?
by Calamari Lands » Wed May 05, 2021 2:14 pm
Bananaistan wrote:Boston Castle wrote:To give you a real world example of this: would the government of the United Kingdom be right, under the terms of this resolution, to ban Sinn Fein due to the ("alleged") former involvement of some of their members with the IRA? Bear in mind that SF committed atrocities during the Troubles including bombings and assassinations.
And this would be an...especially tricky case given that Sinn Fein maintains no actual ties with the IRA or its successor organizations to my knowledge.
OOC: What atrocities did Sinn Féin commit during the Troubles?
Edit: Also, at the OP. In what way is this superior to the existing resolution?
by Calamari Lands » Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 am
by Tinhampton » Tue May 11, 2021 8:46 am
by Calamari Lands » Tue May 11, 2021 9:09 am
Tinhampton wrote:Jimmy McTernan, an Understudy for Tinhampton's WA Delegation: I have two comments on the draft. Firstly, there is no longer an Article 2c as you assert in Article 4. Secondly - and more substantially - is the disclaimer at the end of Article 3 that "organizations must not deny historical genocides or similar repression of marginalized groups, as this will be considered discrimination." How is this discrimination and against who is this discriminating? If against the group subjected to such repression, what if the genocide completely eliminated their group? What is "similar repression"? Does this clause apply in a member state when a declaration is made by that member state, by another member state, by many member states, by many historians not affiliated with any one government, by the WA Judiciary Committee, on the sayso of Michael from the local pub, or someone else entirely? As Lydia would probably ask, is this an attempt to block out any and all organisational criticism of Bigtopian Lives Matter and such of the like?
While I appreciate that the Boani delegation is notoriously tough on hate crime and included extremely vaguely similar provisions in Freedom of expression for organisations, my boss Alex Smith and his staff don't really think they needed to go that tough.
by Old Hope » Tue May 11, 2021 9:41 am
Calamari Lands wrote:
- If a significant number of an organisation's members or leaders have, during their membership, been found guilty of crimes (by national or WA law) of violence or crimes regarding property law committed in furtherance of the organisation's goals, and the organisation has failed to take proportionate disciplinary measures in response, member nations may dissolve it, ban membership of it, or otherwise penalise it within the boundaries of their national jurisdiction, subject to extant international law.
- If an organization actively promotes hatred towards a specific minority or delimited group of individuals beyond their freedom of speech, consistently enciting violence or terrorist crimes through actions or verbal expressions that would fall under hate speech, member nations may impose penalties or dissolve them in accordance with their national law.
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The format wars are a waste of time.
by Calamari Lands » Tue May 11, 2021 10:07 am
Old Hope wrote:Calamari Lands wrote:
- If a significant number of an organisation's members or leaders have, during their membership, been found guilty of crimes (by national or WA law) of violence or crimes regarding property law committed in furtherance of the organisation's goals, and the organisation has failed to take proportionate disciplinary measures in response, member nations may dissolve it, ban membership of it, or otherwise penalise it within the boundaries of their national jurisdiction, subject to extant international law.
- If an organization actively promotes hatred towards a specific minority or delimited group of individuals beyond their freedom of speech, consistently enciting violence or terrorist crimes through actions or verbal expressions that would fall under hate speech, member nations may impose penalties or dissolve them in accordance with their national law.
What about... competition law?
by Old Hope » Tue May 11, 2021 10:48 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The format wars are a waste of time.
by Calamari Lands » Tue May 11, 2021 11:18 am
by Uan aa Boa » Wed May 12, 2021 8:44 am
Tinhampton wrote:Jimmy McTernan, an Understudy for Tinhampton's WA Delegation: I have two comments on the draft. Firstly, there is no longer an Article 2c as you assert in Article 4. Secondly - and more substantially - is the disclaimer at the end of Article 3 that "organizations must not deny historical genocides or similar repression of marginalized groups, as this will be considered discrimination." How is this discrimination and against who is this discriminating? If against the group subjected to such repression, what if the genocide completely eliminated their group? What is "similar repression"? Does this clause apply in a member state when a declaration is made by that member state, by another member state, by many member states, by many historians not affiliated with any one government, by the WA Judiciary Committee, on the sayso of Michael from the local pub, or someone else entirely? As Lydia would probably ask, is this an attempt to block out any and all organisational criticism of Bigtopian Lives Matter and such of the like?
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