Trial of Derek Chauvin: A Juror Supported What?!

[Fartsniffage]

MN governor slated to speak after verdict is announced.

No doubt he has two or three speeches prepared.

I imagine he will be given a heads up before the verdict is read. It's only sensible in a situation like this.

[Hiram Land]

Maybe people wouldn't riot if the people in power actually listened to them.

I'll probably get ten people screaming "whataboutism" at me but, seeing as you're "anti-government", how did you feel about the Trump supporters storming the capitol?

An attempted overthrow of Congress thanks to lies and rumours is not akin to protests thanks to a horrible murder.

[Celritannia]

And how many lives and people's freedoms have been destroyed because of police shootings and high incarceration rates?
You keep avoiding this simple explanation.

Whataboutism isn't really the right answer here.

It's not even a whataboutism. It's an actual fact.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Which is why I want there to be riots, show the world the system is rigged and needs to be torn down piece by piece.

The problem is that you can only riot so much until people start getting sick and tired of seeing their cities being destroyed.

But wanton state violence on its own people, is fine?

[Austreylia]

I'll probably get ten people screaming "whataboutism" at me but, seeing as you're "anti-government", how did you feel about the Trump supporters storming the capitol?

Would have been more supportive if it was just a anti government riot instead of trying to keep Trump in power.

Hm. I can respect that.

The problem is that you can only riot so much until people start getting sick and tired of seeing their cities being destroyed.

biweekly reminder that riots are not equivalent to the destruction of entire cities, despite the rhetorical equivalency constantly being made by both the right and even mainstream centrist/lib outlets

the set of "cities destroyed by fire" includes Chicago (1871), Seattle (1889), Hiroshima (1945), Paradise (2018), London (1666), Rome (64), Tokyo (1945), and others, but not Minneapolis or any other major American city (2020-2021)

Pedantic, but yes, you're right.

But i'd say that causing $500 million dollars of damage to a single city warrants the usage of the word.

[Galloism]

Whataboutism isn't really the right answer here.

It's not even a whataboutism. It's an actual fact.

No, it's whataboutism. You are deflecting from the actual suffering of people by asking "what about these other people suffering".

Which is whataboutism.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So the verdict is supposed to be read between 4:30-5:00pm apparently.

[Kowani]

Derek Chauvin has arrived at the courthouse

[Celritannia]

It's not even a whataboutism. It's an actual fact.

No, it's whataboutism. You are deflecting from the actual suffering of people by asking "what about these other people suffering".

Which is whataboutism.

So you are telling me, these riots, and protests, are not about the treatment of black people by police?
Well I never /S.

[Vassenor]

Would have been more supportive if it was just a anti government riot instead of trying to keep Trump in power.

Hm. I can respect that.

biweekly reminder that riots are not equivalent to the destruction of entire cities, despite the rhetorical equivalency constantly being made by both the right and even mainstream centrist/lib outlets

the set of "cities destroyed by fire" includes Chicago (1871), Seattle (1889), Hiroshima (1945), Paradise (2018), London (1666), Rome (64), Tokyo (1945), and others, but not Minneapolis or any other major American city (2020-2021)

Pedantic, but yes, you're right.

But i'd say that causing $500 million dollars of damage to a single city warrants the usage of the word.

See, this is what it looks like when an entire city is destroyed by fire. At no point has Minneapolis looked like this. Quit it with the overwrought hyperbole.

[Galloism]

No, it's whataboutism. You are deflecting from the actual suffering of people by asking "what about these other people suffering".

Which is whataboutism.

So you are telling me, these riots, and protests, are not about the treatment of black people by police?
Well I never /S.

I'm just pointing out that when someone says "people are tired of suffering from riots" saying "what about these other people suffering from police" is whataboutism.

[Senkaku]

It's not even a whataboutism. It's an actual fact.

No, it's whataboutism. You are deflecting from the actual suffering of people by asking "what about these other people suffering".

Which is whataboutism.

I read it less as whataboutism and more as questioning Austreylia's premise that "people will start getting sick and tired of seeing their cities destroyed." Given that riots, "riots," and protests, even large ones, really don't have that much impact on most people in most parts of major cities (you can be a few blocks away from a crowd of thousands and barely know it), I think it's reasonable to highlight that it's quite likely that so long as people are as angry as they are now about police killings and misconduct, they will continue to riot or tolerate rioting, even if it means they start seeing some burned-out buildings on the way to work.

[Thermodolia]

Derek Chauvin has arrived at the courthouse

Here we go

[Kowani]

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler declares state of emergency ahead of the verdict

[Deblar]

Derek Chauvin has arrived at the courthouse

Here we go

Godspeed, ladies and gentlemen

[Austreylia]

See, this is what it looks like when an entire city is destroyed by fire. At no point has Minneapolis looked like this. Quit it with the overwrought hyperbole.

"They didn't ACTUALLY destroy an entire city! They just caused $500 million worth of damage! HA!"

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Derek Chauvin has arrived at the courthouse

Here we go

Gotta check the climate here in FL, with so many states and cities bracing themselves for unrest.

[Xmara]

Derek Chauvin has arrived at the courthouse

Here we go

My heart is racing

[Celritannia]

No, it's whataboutism. You are deflecting from the actual suffering of people by asking "what about these other people suffering".

Which is whataboutism.

I read it less as whataboutism and more as questioning Austreylia's premise that "people will start getting sick and tired of seeing their cities destroyed." Given that riots, "riots," and protests, even large ones, really don't have that much impact on most people in most parts of major cities (you can be a few blocks away from a crowd of thousands and barely know it), I think it's reasonable to highlight that it's quite likely that so long as people are as angry as they are now about police killings and misconduct, they will continue to riot or tolerate rioting, even if it means they start seeing some burned-out buildings on the way to work.

Pretty much this.

[Silvedania]

See, this is what it looks like when an entire city is destroyed by fire. At no point has Minneapolis looked like this. Quit it with the overwrought hyperbole.

"They didn't ACTUALLY destroy an entire city! They just caused $500 million worth of damage! HA!"

I got to agree with this, actually. Vass, your metaphor is too extreme. But that just further proves your point.

[Galloism]

I read it less as whataboutism and more as questioning Austreylia's premise that "people will start getting sick and tired of seeing their cities destroyed." Given that riots, "riots," and protests, even large ones, really don't have that much impact on most people in most parts of major cities (you can be a few blocks away from a crowd of thousands and barely know it), I think it's reasonable to highlight that it's quite likely that so long as people are as angry as they are now about police killings and misconduct, they will continue to riot or tolerate rioting, even if it means they start seeing some burned-out buildings on the way to work.

Pretty much this.

That's the most generous read of your statements I ever heard.

If that's what you meant, fine, but there was no inkling of that from what you said.

[The New California Republic]

See, this is what it looks like when an entire city is destroyed by fire. At no point has Minneapolis looked like this. Quit it with the overwrought hyperbole.

"They didn't ACTUALLY destroy an entire city! They just caused $500 million worth of damage! HA!"

What do you expect people to do to such hyperbole except look upon it with disdain? Hm?

[Celritannia]

See, this is what it looks like when an entire city is destroyed by fire. At no point has Minneapolis looked like this. Quit it with the overwrought hyperbole.

"They didn't ACTUALLY destroy an entire city! They just caused $500 million worth of damage! HA!"

And please tell me how many innocent people have been assaulted or shot by the police.
How many individuals have been wrongfully convicted?

You are failing to understand the reasoning behind why these protests and riots happened.

[Vassenor]

See, this is what it looks like when an entire city is destroyed by fire. At no point has Minneapolis looked like this. Quit it with the overwrought hyperbole.

"They didn't ACTUALLY destroy an entire city! They just caused $500 million worth of damage! HA!"

If you don't want your hyperbole called out, maybe stop resorting to it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And so it begins.