US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You mean the things that happen after the police declare the protest an unlawful assembly and break out the tear gas to disperse it?

What gets a protest declared an unlawful assembly?

Police decide they don't like it. Case in point the Lafayette Square incident.

[Fahran]

It is interesting, isn't it, that the police in the video are not pointing their guns at the guy. No taser was deployed either. I wonder if the cops for some reason percieved him to be less of a threat?

Perhaps they ought to have shot him given he was an actual threat.

[Kannap]

You mean the things that happen after the police declare the protest an unlawful assembly and break out the tear gas to disperse it?

What gets a protest declared an unlawful assembly?

Usually peacefully protesting against police brutality seems like.

[Fahran]

What gets a protest declared an unlawful assembly?

Police decide they don't like it. Case in point the Lafayette Square incident.

At Lafayette Square, a couple of factors came into the equation. Trump wanting his photo-op and protestors ignoring a curfew for instance. Usually though, an unlawful assembly is declared after multiple reports of disorderly conduct, arson, breaking and entering, etc. have occurred. The narrative that peaceful demonstrations are being declared unlawful assemblies is broadly wrong.

Part of this is a failure of police to manage the psychological aspects of these demonstrations, such as exhibiting appropriate levels of implicit violence without having to resort to explicit violence. Part of this is a failure for local prosecutors to adequately follow up on punishing protestors who step beyond bounds. Part of this is that in many cases there aren't enough officers present to actually manage crowds properly with means aside from tear gas and rubber bullets. Part of this is that local mayors often support rioters up until those rioters threaten them specifically - because, surprise, the municipal government is over the police and part of the problem police reform will have to address. Part of this is the normalization of street violence as a morally acceptable response to perceived government malfeasance and injustice, often even before we have full access to relevant details, by pundits, activists, and the media.

[Fahran]

Usually peacefully protesting against police brutality seems like.

Do we have evidence of this?

I actually did a bit of research. It turns out we have quite a lot of studies on the subject. The presence of police in riot gear or abrasive policing tactics can lead to an escalation of violence, but, at the same time, leaving protestors alone is often not a guarantee that violence will not occur and escalate. A lot of emphasis has been put on what constitutes the appropriate amount of force necessary to a given situation. In that respect, I'll say police have often gotten that wrong of late, either by employing too much force or by employing too little. Lafayette Square offers us an example of the former. Kenosha offers us an example of the latter. And, beyond that, police force is only one factor that can lead to escalations in violence. The attitudes of the protestors and their relationship with police play a role too, at least based on the past fifty years of research. So I don't think peddling the narrative that protests are invariably peaceful before police attack innocent protestors is really accurate.

[Dejado Atras]

I actually did a bit of research. It turns out we have quite a lot of studies on the subject.

I won’t ask how much deep digging you might have had to do.

[North Washington Republic]

Black people tell a white rioter that "he doesn't belong" and "to get the fuck out" after he hurled a projectile at cops in Minnesota

I LOVE it when non-violent Black and POC protesters telling violent white agitators to GTFO.

[Fahran]

I won’t ask how much deep digging you might have had to do.

It literally took five minutes to bump into four or five academic studies. In fairness, they didn't exactly cover the recent demonstrations or who initiates riots, but they did explore the impact policing has on violence at protests and made suggestions of techniques to better engage in control and keep people safe. They also emphasized repeatedly that multiple factors go into such violence.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Black people tell a white rioter that "he doesn't belong" and "to get the fuck out" after he hurled a projectile at cops in Minnesota

I LOVE it when non-violent Black and POC protesters telling violent white agitators to GTFO.

You love when protests don't get too scary and stay useless. You're the same guy who suggested we arrest peaceful protesters for curfew violations.

[Fahran]

Black people tell a white rioter that "he doesn't belong" and "to get the fuck out" after he hurled a projectile at cops in Minnesota

I LOVE it when non-violent Black and POC protesters telling violent white agitators to GTFO.

Based. I believe similar things have happened in Seattle and Portland as well, mostly due to Black Bloc not being as helpful as they think they are.

You love when protests don't get too scary and stay useless. You're the same guy who suggested we arrest peaceful protesters for curfew violations.

What is the utility of protests if not spurring on legislative and societal change?

I'd be pretty annoyed at the guy working to get everyone sprayed with tear gas too.

[Stylan]

Black people tell a white rioter that "he doesn't belong" and "to get the fuck out" after he hurled a projectile at cops in Minnesota

I LOVE it when non-violent Black and POC protesters telling violent white agitators to GTFO.

Nah you just like using exclusive examples of minorities to further your shitty ideas and agenda. The majority of black people I have spoken to have been in support of these acts of civil disobedience.

Looks like idpol is in full-swing, btw. Porky has successfully gotten the proles to fight amongst themselves based on race instead of fighting him based on class.

[Dejado Atras]

I won’t ask how much deep digging you might have had to do.

It literally took five minutes to bump into four or five academic studies. In fairness, they didn't exactly cover the recent demonstrations or who initiates riots, but they did explore the impact policing has on violence at protests and made suggestions of techniques to better engage in control and keep people safe. They also emphasized repeatedly that multiple factors go into such violence.

Where/Who did you search if I may ask? I actually was casually looking online earlier and all I was getting was both opinion pieces and recent studies by specific sites done with the typical “Police Respond Violently to Peaceful Protests” or “Statistics Show That Police Instigate Violence 80% Of The Time” headlines. Slightly exaggerated title examples but I’m sure you get it.

[North Washington Republic]

Black people tell a white rioter that "he doesn't belong" and "to get the fuck out" after he hurled a projectile at cops in Minnesota

I LOVE it when non-violent Black and POC protesters telling violent white agitators to GTFO.

Nah you just like using exclusive examples of minorities to further your shitty ideas and agenda. The majority of black people I have spoken to have been in support of these acts of civil disobedience.

Looks like idpol is in full-swing, btw. Porky has successfully gotten the proles to fight amongst themselves based on race instead of fighting him based on class.

And people like you is why we need law enforcement.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Black people tell a white rioter that "he doesn't belong" and "to get the fuck out" after he hurled a projectile at cops in Minnesota

I LOVE it when non-violent Black and POC protesters telling violent white agitators to GTFO.

Based. I believe similar things have happened in Seattle and Portland as well, mostly due to Black Bloc not being as helpful as they think they are.

You love when protests don't get too scary and stay useless. You're the same guy who suggested we arrest peaceful protesters for curfew violations.

What is the utility of protests if not spurring on legislative and societal change?

I'd be pretty annoyed at the guy working to get everyone sprayed with tear gas too.

Sometimes you gotta fight. Peaceful protest for over 10 years got less done than the summer of riots we just had, because when you are totally peaceful, people ignore you and pretend you don't even exist.

[Stylan]

Nah you just like using exclusive examples of minorities to further your shitty ideas and agenda. The majority of black people I have spoken to have been in support of these acts of civil disobedience.

Looks like idpol is in full-swing, btw. Porky has successfully gotten the proles to fight amongst themselves based on race instead of fighting him based on class.

And people like you is why we need law enforcement.

Posting on imageboards - why we need law enforcement. Ok, got it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

And people like you is why we need law enforcement.

Posting on imageboards - why we need law enforcement. Ok, got it.

NWR is literally the "you're not protesting the right way" guy who will find a way to say every form of protest is wrong, like the people who complained when Kapernick knelt.

Then they wonder why riots happen.

[North Washington Republic]

Posting on imageboards - why we need law enforcement. Ok, got it.

NWR is literally the "you're not protesting the right way" guy who will find a way to say every form of protest is wrong, like the people who complained when Kapernick knelt.

Then they wonder why riots happen.

LOL, not really. People have a right to peacefully assemble, throwing projectiles at LEOs is NOT peaceful. Rioting and looting are not victimless crimes. And you know what, many of the business that were damaged and looted were POC and immigrant owned. But according to folks like you, there is no good form of capitalism, even when POC people benefit from it.

Talk about white privilege.

[Stylan]

Posting on imageboards - why we need law enforcement. Ok, got it.

NWR is literally the "you're not protesting the right way" guy who will find a way to say every form of protest is wrong, like the people who complained when Kapernick knelt.

Then they wonder why riots happen.

And I didn't even say my position on riots, just that I believed the position of the blacks in in the video were in the minority.

[Stylan]

NWR is literally the "you're not protesting the right way" guy who will find a way to say every form of protest is wrong, like the people who complained when Kapernick knelt.

Then they wonder why riots happen.

LOL, not really. People have a right to peacefully assemble, throwing projectiles at LEOs is NOT peaceful. Rioting and looting are not victimless crimes. And you know what, many of the business that were damaged and looted were POC and immigrant owned. But according to folks like you, there is no good form of capitalism, even when POC people benefit from it.

Talk about white privilege.

Holy shit, you're literally the "intersectional war criminal"/"black capitalism"/"queer drone strikes" meme but in real life. Lmfao, I thought you were just made up by the more reactionary elements of the likes of stupidpol.

I will agree on one point though, if you damage working-class/POC/immigrant *small* businesses I have no sympathy.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

NWR is literally the "you're not protesting the right way" guy who will find a way to say every form of protest is wrong, like the people who complained when Kapernick knelt.

Then they wonder why riots happen.

LOL, not really. People have a right to peacefully assemble, throwing projectiles at LEOs is peaceful. Rioting and looting are not victimless crimes. And you know what, many of the business that were damaged and looted were POC and immigrant owned. But according to folks like you, there is no good form of capitalism, even when POC people benefit from it.

Talk about white privilege.

White privilege? First off pal I'm a person of color. Second off people of color tend to be used for low paying labor and then thrown away by the current system we got. Third off you don't think people have a right to protest peacefully. You wanna arrest ppl for a fucking curfew violation, thereby guaranteeing only more violence because you didn't think through what would end up happening. You just want your "safety." Well let me ask you something NWR. You ever think about how some people feel around the police? About how the police have killed some people for no good reason? The police to you represent safety and security but to me they always were a menace and a danger. My brother almost lost his life thanks to one of them. I've had girls I know followed and harassed by them, male friends thrown against walls and beaten down, and a couple local police officers stole some property from my grandmother in 1975. So pardon me if I don't give a damn about your need to feel safe, cause you sure as hell don't care about my safety or rights or the rights of the black and hispanic men and women fighting for their lives right now and fighting for those who were murdered by police. You claim to but make it clear you really don't.

Maybe you need to take a look at your privilege before you try and comment on anyone else's.

[North Washington Republic]

LOL, not really. People have a right to peacefully assemble, throwing projectiles at LEOs is peaceful. Rioting and looting are not victimless crimes. And you know what, many of the business that were damaged and looted were POC and immigrant owned. But according to folks like you, there is no good form of capitalism, even when POC people benefit from it.

Talk about white privilege.

White privilege? First off pal I'm a person of color. Second off people of color tend to be used for low paying labor and then thrown away by the current system we got. Third off you don't think people have a right to protest peacefully. You wanna arrest ppl for a fucking curfew violation, thereby guaranteeing only more violence because you didn't think through what would end up happening. You just want your "safety." Well let me ask you something NWR. You ever think about how some people feel around the police? About how the police have killed some people for no good reason? The police to you represent safety and security but to me they always were a menace and a danger. My brother almost lost his life thanks to one of them. I've had girls I know followed and harassed by them, male friends thrown against walls and beaten down, and a couple local police officers stole some property from my grandmother in 1975. So pardon me if I don't give a damn about your need to feel safe, cause you sure as hell don't care about my safety or rights or the rights of the black and hispanic men and women fighting for their lives right now and fighting for those who were murdered by police. You claim to but make it clear you really don't.

Maybe you need to take a look at your privilege before you try and comment on anyone else's.

Forgive me, but I’m going to doubt that you’re a person of color. I’m not going to deny the fact that there are white supremacists in police departments. I’m not going to deny the fact that they harass and even kill POC at a higher rate than White people. However, I don’t believe that these institutions are racist by design. In your world. We would have mob justice and chaos. I believe that police departments need massive reforms, starting with rooting out white supremacists. We need to hire more POC and trans police officers, and we need to have residency requirements.

But that won’t do for people with your worldview. You want complete abolishment of law enforcement and even the state.

[Stylan]

White privilege? First off pal I'm a person of color. Second off people of color tend to be used for low paying labor and then thrown away by the current system we got. Third off you don't think people have a right to protest peacefully. You wanna arrest ppl for a fucking curfew violation, thereby guaranteeing only more violence because you didn't think through what would end up happening. You just want your "safety." Well let me ask you something NWR. You ever think about how some people feel around the police? About how the police have killed some people for no good reason? The police to you represent safety and security but to me they always were a menace and a danger. My brother almost lost his life thanks to one of them. I've had girls I know followed and harassed by them, male friends thrown against walls and beaten down, and a couple local police officers stole some property from my grandmother in 1975. So pardon me if I don't give a damn about your need to feel safe, cause you sure as hell don't care about my safety or rights or the rights of the black and hispanic men and women fighting for their lives right now and fighting for those who were murdered by police. You claim to but make it clear you really don't.

Maybe you need to take a look at your privilege before you try and comment on anyone else's.

Forgive me, but I’m going to doubt that you’re a person of color. I’m not going to deny the fact that there are white supremacists in police departments. I’m not going to deny the fact that they harass and even kill POC at a higher rate than White people. However, I don’t believe that these institutions are racist by design. In your world. We would have mob justice and chaos. I believe that police departments need massive reforms, starting with rooting out white supremacists. We need to hire more POC and trans police officers, and we need to have residency requirements.

But that won’t do for people with your worldview. You want complete abolishment of law enforcement and even the state.

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

White privilege? First off pal I'm a person of color. Second off people of color tend to be used for low paying labor and then thrown away by the current system we got. Third off you don't think people have a right to protest peacefully. You wanna arrest ppl for a fucking curfew violation, thereby guaranteeing only more violence because you didn't think through what would end up happening. You just want your "safety." Well let me ask you something NWR. You ever think about how some people feel around the police? About how the police have killed some people for no good reason? The police to you represent safety and security but to me they always were a menace and a danger. My brother almost lost his life thanks to one of them. I've had girls I know followed and harassed by them, male friends thrown against walls and beaten down, and a couple local police officers stole some property from my grandmother in 1975. So pardon me if I don't give a damn about your need to feel safe, cause you sure as hell don't care about my safety or rights or the rights of the black and hispanic men and women fighting for their lives right now and fighting for those who were murdered by police. You claim to but make it clear you really don't.

Maybe you need to take a look at your privilege before you try and comment on anyone else's.

Forgive me, but I’m going to doubt that you’re a person of color. I’m not going to deny the fact that there are white supremacists in police departments. I’m not going to deny the fact that they harass and even kill POC at a higher rate than White people. However, I don’t believe that these institutions are racist by design. In your world. We would have mob justice and chaos. I believe that police departments need massive reforms, starting with rooting out white supremacists. We need to hire more POC and trans police officers, and we need to have residency requirements.

But that won’t do for people with your worldview. You want complete abolishment of law enforcement and even the state.

Yes the institutions are racist by design. Have you not seen the stats on incarceration in America? And I frankly don't care if you doubt I'm a person of color. Some of the people on this thread have actually spoken to me and know who I am. What I do care about is how you don't actually care about this issue. You just want to feel safe. You're fine violating peoples rights if you can feel secure in the end. That's why you wanted curfew violators arrested, right? You can talk to me about safety when you try and understand how unsafe some people such as myself feel around the police you admire.

[North Washington Republic]

Forgive me, but I’m going to doubt that you’re a person of color. I’m not going to deny the fact that there are white supremacists in police departments. I’m not going to deny the fact that they harass and even kill POC at a higher rate than White people. However, I don’t believe that these institutions are racist by design. In your world. We would have mob justice and chaos. I believe that police departments need massive reforms, starting with rooting out white supremacists. We need to hire more POC and trans police officers, and we need to have residency requirements.

But that won’t do for people with your worldview. You want complete abolishment of law enforcement and even the state.

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

That's literally too little. It isnt a few bad apples, and you ought to know that.