Rise of Domestic US terrorism fueled mostly by far right

[Mercatus]

There was one right-wing riot in DC, there were numerous riots in various cities over the summer. That seems relevant to which wing causes more terrorism.

So what are the numbers for terrorist attacks then?

Are riots not acts of terrorism? Terrorism is literally defined as committing violent or murderous acts in the name of a political cause. Riots are acts of violence, as they destroy property such as businesses, and those business owners are disenfranchised when the media and the government say, “This is ok. This is peaceful.” In the case of BLM, the Summer 2020 riots were race riots in the name of Black Supremacy. Cops who stood against the rioters were vilified for doing their fucking job, and people who legally defended themselves like Kyle Rittenhouse were demonized for essentially not letting the rioters do what they wanted.

The DC riots were the only right-wing riot within the past year, and if BLM was “peaceful”, then the capitol rioters were there for a meet-and-greet, maybe add a buffet and wine bar to the mix.

[Vassenor]

So what are the numbers for terrorist attacks then?

Are riots not acts of terrorism? Terrorism is literally defined as committing violent or murderous acts in the name of a political cause. Riots are acts of violence, as they destroy property such as businesses, and those business owners are disenfranchised when the media and the government say, “This is ok. This is peaceful.” In the case of BLM, the Summer 2020 riots were race riots in the name of Black Supremacy. Cops who stood against the rioters were vilified for doing their fucking job, and people who legally defended themselves like Kyle Rittenhouse were demonized for essentially not letting the rioters do what they wanted.

The DC riots were the only right-wing riot within the past year, and if BLM was “peaceful”, then the capitol rioters were there for a meet-and-greet, maybe add a buffet and wine bar to the mix.

Meanwhile, in reality:

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

[Austreylia]

If any incidence of violence to promote a political point is terrorism, then at least half of the bar fights in the US would count.

This is possibly the most laughable sentence in this entire thread.

But you know that he's right.

[Elwher]

There was one right-wing riot in DC, there were numerous left-wing riots in various cities over the summer. That seems relevant to which wing causes more terrorism.

100% of right-wing demonstrations were violent. Great statistics there.


p.s. it's not like it's leftists making this claim, CSIS published a data-based report demonstrating that right-wing terrorism is a bigger issue.

Just as one counter-example, the militia takeover of the Michigan State Capitol, while done by armed men, did not result in any actual violence. So, not 100%.

[Dakini]

This is possibly the most laughable sentence in this entire thread.

But you know that he's right.

No, he's laughably wrong.

[Dakini]

100% of right-wing demonstrations were violent. Great statistics there.


p.s. it's not like it's leftists making this claim, CSIS published a data-based report demonstrating that right-wing terrorism is a bigger issue.

Just as one counter-example, the militia takeover of the Michigan State Capitol, while done by armed men, did not result in any actual violence. So, not 100%.

As though armed men taking over a state capitol isn't violent in itself. Are you serious?

Also, didn't this involve a plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan or was that a separate right-wing terrorist plot in Michigan in the last year?

[Elwher]

But you know that he's right.

No, he's laughably wrong.

Laughable or not, how do you define terrorism?

[Vassenor]

100% of right-wing demonstrations were violent. Great statistics there.


p.s. it's not like it's leftists making this claim, CSIS published a data-based report demonstrating that right-wing terrorism is a bigger issue.

Just as one counter-example, the militia takeover of the Michigan State Capitol, while done by armed men, did not result in any actual violence. So, not 100%.

So what about the data in the linked report?

[Mercatus]

Are riots not acts of terrorism? Terrorism is literally defined as committing violent or murderous acts in the name of a political cause. Riots are acts of violence, as they destroy property such as businesses, and those business owners are disenfranchised when the media and the government say, “This is ok. This is peaceful.” In the case of BLM, the Summer 2020 riots were race riots in the name of Black Supremacy. Cops who stood against the rioters were vilified for doing their fucking job, and people who legally defended themselves like Kyle Rittenhouse were demonized for essentially not letting the rioters do what they wanted.

The DC riots were the only right-wing riot within the past year, and if BLM was “peaceful”, then the capitol rioters were there for a meet-and-greet, maybe add a buffet and wine bar to the mix.

Meanwhile, in reality:

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

Does that matter when the other 7% resulted in the deaths of children, destruction of businesses, and were all present in the only cities that defunded their police force? If that 93% is an accurate figure, then that means people don’t give a shit about what the peaceful guys had to say, they only caved when subjugated to violence. So, in essence, BLM got what they wanted through terrorism and not peaceful demonstrating.

[Dakini]

No, he's laughably wrong.

Laughable or not, how do you define terrorism?

Since we're supposed to be talking about how terrorist attacks are counted in the USA, I'd go with the FBI's definitions of terrorism here.

Hint: the FBI does not include bar fights as terrorism because the FBI is not that stupid.

[Vassenor]

Also I still find it hilarious that "police need to stop summarily executing people" is somehow "black supremacy".

[Aeritai]

Man after reading half of these arguments, I now realize that reading YouTube debate comments are more tame than NSG debates.

[Nakena]

Are riots not acts of terrorism?

No. Altough they can contain acts of terrorism, they usually are not.

[Elwher]

Laughable or not, how do you define terrorism?

Since we're supposed to be talking about how terrorist attacks are counted in the USA, I'd go with the FBI's definitions of terrorism here.

Hint: the FBI does not include bar fights as terrorism because the FBI is not that stupid.

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

Based on that, the riots at the BLM protests and those at the DC protests both qualify. Which occurred more often? Which caused more damage?

[Dakini]

Also I still find it hilarious that "police need to stop summarily executing people" is somehow "black supremacy".

I know right? It's like some people think that treating people of colour as equals is oppressing them as white people.

[Dakini]

Since we're supposed to be talking about how terrorist attacks are counted in the USA, I'd go with the FBI's definitions of terrorism here.

Hint: the FBI does not include bar fights as terrorism because the FBI is not that stupid.

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

Based on that, the riots at the BLM protests and those at the DC protests both qualify. Which occurred more often? Which caused more damage?

As I already linked this report, which you ignored, I'm going to link it again. The answer is that there is more right-wing terrorism in the USA and that it causes more damage.

[Giovenith]

According to that site NPR is in the center.

NPR? Really? Gimme a break

It's a "fact-checking" site.

Literally nobody besides the "Sammy | they/it | ACAB | BLM | ASD | Social Anxiety" crowd takes them seriously.

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[Borderlands of Rojava]

A mild lean to the left. thats all you got really.

According to that site NPR is in the center.

NPR? Really? Gimme a break

I mean they pretty much are.

[North Washington Republic]

Man after reading half of these arguments, I now realize that reading YouTube debate comments are more tame than NSG debates.

Oh, I don’t know about that.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Since we're supposed to be talking about how terrorist attacks are counted in the USA, I'd go with the FBI's definitions of terrorism here.

Hint: the FBI does not include bar fights as terrorism because the FBI is not that stupid.

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

Based on that, the riots at the BLM protests and those at the DC protests both qualify. Which occurred more often? Which caused more damage?

A large number of the deaths in BLM protests and much of the damage was done by radical right wingers.

[New Minarchistan]

Reading this circlejerk has been amazing lol, can’t have any riots or acts of terrorism if you never record them as such.

Anyways, to answer the actual point of this thread, you can’t. You literally cannot do anything to stop what was already coming down the pipe long before the Tropicana In Chief took over. This is the final, triumphant collapse of neoliberalism as the dominant post-war ideology. It’s sad, but necessary that a civil war will be required to complete the transition. We’ve pushed this pot past the boiling point a hundred times over, the people of this country will deal with the status quo no longer.

A more pertinent question would be what comes AFTER the collapse of neoliberalism. Of course, at this stage, it’s really hard to tell who comes out on top. But my money is on the side with all the guns.

[Comfed]

BLM: Protests peacefully
Police and right-wing extremists: *Cause violence*
Police and right-wing extremists: Look at these terrible rioters!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

"bUt WhAt AbOuT bLaCk LiVeS mAtTeR1!1!1!"

Interestingly there has only ever been one attempt in recent memory (perhaps even only one attempt in our entire history) to coup the United States Federal Government and it was conducted entirely by members of the Far Right, bolstered by militias of the Far Right, and quietly orchestrated and endorsed by Far Right politicians who then disavowed it when it utterly failed.

You can deflect, move the goalposts, and spout 'Whatabout!' all you want. It doesn't change the fact that the American Far Right is the only legitimate and serious domestic threat to the continuation of American democracy through it's continuous blatant acts of insurrection, terrorism, and sedition. BLM, Antifa, and other "Leftist" (not even close lmao) groups are nothing but scarecrow boogeymen set up by Far Rightists to intimidate their voter base into staying loyal out of fear of an 'other' they know nothing about as their cryptofascist tendencies are being brought into the light for everyone to see.

Rioters burn down a building because cops murder racial minorities in cold blood every day and get away with it and the Right screams "Terrorism!" but Neo-Nazis storm the fucking Capitol building and nearly lynch the Vice President and several members of Congress (at the behest of a sitting POTUS for God's sake) and it's all "B-b-but it's not US it's the LEFT that are the problem!" Bruh - the actual Left consists of 12 people and a dog mascot. The people you call "Leftists" just want cops to be held accountable for the murders they commit, healthcare reform, living wages, and other things that civilized countries already provide their citizens with. The Far Right, meanwhile, wants an authoritarian ethnostate built on the ashes of the Constitution.

Fucking get over yourselves and embrace the reality that you're on the wrong side of history.

[North Washington Republic]

"bUt WhAt AbOuT bLaCk LiVeS mAtTeR1!1!1!"

Interestingly there has only ever been one attempt in recent memory (perhaps even only one attempt in our entire history) to coup the United States Federal Government and it was conducted entirely by members of the Far Right, bolstered by militias of the Far Right, and quietly orchestrated and endorsed by Far Right politicians who then disavowed it when it utterly failed.

You can deflect, move the goalposts, and spout 'Whatabout!' all you want. It doesn't change the fact that the American Far Right is the only legitimate and serious domestic threat to the continuation of American democracy through it's continuous blatant acts of insurrection, terrorism, and sedition. BLM, Antifa, and other "Leftist" (not even close lmao) groups are nothing but scarecrow boogeymen set up by Far Rightists to intimidate their voter base into staying loyal out of fear of an 'other' they know nothing about as their cryptofascist tendencies are being brought into the light for everyone to see.

Rioters burn down a building because cops murder racial minorities in cold blood every day and get away with and the Right screams "Terrorism!" but Neo-Nazis storm the fucking Capitol building and nearly lynch the Vice President and several members of Congress (at the behest of a sitting POTUS for God's sake) and it's all "B-b-but it's not US it's the LEFT that are the problem!" Bruh - the actual Left consists of 12 people and a dog mascot. The people you call "Leftists" just want cops to be held accountable for the murders they commit, healthcare reform, living wages, and other things that civilized countries already provide their citizens with. The Far Right, meanwhile, wants an authoritarian ethnostate built on the ashes of the Constitution.

Fucking get over yourselves and embrace the reality that you're on the wrong side of history.

What about people like me that condemn the riots/looting AND condemn the MAGA terrorist attack on our Capitol?

[Vassenor]

"bUt WhAt AbOuT bLaCk LiVeS mAtTeR1!1!1!"

Interestingly there has only ever been one attempt in recent memory (perhaps even only one attempt in our entire history) to coup the United States Federal Government and it was conducted entirely by members of the Far Right, bolstered by militias of the Far Right, and quietly orchestrated and endorsed by Far Right politicians who then disavowed it when it utterly failed.

You can deflect, move the goalposts, and spout 'Whatabout!' all you want. It doesn't change the fact that the American Far Right is the only legitimate and serious domestic threat to the continuation of American democracy through it's continuous blatant acts of insurrection, terrorism, and sedition. BLM, Antifa, and other "Leftist" (not even close lmao) groups are nothing but scarecrow boogeymen set up by Far Rightists to intimidate their voter base into staying loyal out of fear of an 'other' they know nothing about as their cryptofascist tendencies are being brought into the light for everyone to see.

Rioters burn down a building because cops murder racial minorities in cold blood every day and get away with and the Right screams "Terrorism!" but Neo-Nazis storm the fucking Capitol building and nearly lynch the Vice President and several members of Congress (at the behest of a sitting POTUS for God's sake) and it's all "B-b-but it's not US it's the LEFT that are the problem!" Bruh - the actual Left consists of 12 people and a dog mascot. The people you call "Leftists" just want cops to be held accountable for the murders they commit, healthcare reform, living wages, and other things that civilized countries already provide their citizens with. The Far Right, meanwhile, wants an authoritarian ethnostate built on the ashes of the Constitution.

Fucking get over yourselves and embrace the reality that you're on the wrong side of history.

What about people like me that condemn the riots/looting AND condemn the MAGA terrorist attack on our Capitol?

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