Salus Maior wrote:In which case the Middle Ages weren't really all that different before the development of modernity. Which is why the "Dark Ages" are a myth as they're commonly perceived, is my point.
I'm inclined to agree.
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by Northern Socialist Council Republics » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:22 pm
Salus Maior wrote:In which case the Middle Ages weren't really all that different before the development of modernity. Which is why the "Dark Ages" are a myth as they're commonly perceived, is my point.
by Vassenor » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:26 pm
Zurkir wrote:
The whole white savior complex is your typical elitist nonsense. The only people who actually shill for it are these Wall Street rich people and do-gooder activist types. One might could say for example that the Twitter brigades and SJW’s are the types that subscribe to this theory, as they see a need to suppress (cancel) anything that offends them or their minority charges.
It’s an unfortunately real mechanism yes but it’s offensive and repressive and more often that not employed in ignorance by those who claim to oppose it. Irony.
by Zurkir » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:32 pm
Vassenor wrote:Zurkir wrote:
The whole white savior complex is your typical elitist nonsense. The only people who actually shill for it are these Wall Street rich people and do-gooder activist types. One might could say for example that the Twitter brigades and SJW’s are the types that subscribe to this theory, as they see a need to suppress (cancel) anything that offends them or their minority charges.
It’s an unfortunately real mechanism yes but it’s offensive and repressive and more often that not employed in ignorance by those who claim to oppose it. Irony.
More vague statements about what people think with no attempt to demonstrate people actually thinking those things.
by Galiantus III » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:37 pm
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by Vassenor » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:47 pm
by J o J » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:15 pm
Kilobugya wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Dude, there is A LOT of difference. For instance, the difference is that in modern Christianity women hold far more rights than in Islam.
Oh really ? No right to divorce, even from abusive or violent husband. No right to contraception or abortion, no ability to control their own body. No right to be part of priesthood or the direction of the church. Sorry but the Catholic Church is still very oppressive against women.
by Deacarsia » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:22 pm
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:As a far-right Christian, I am fully in support of this law. Yes, I am islamaphobic. Yes, I am not ashamed of that. Deus Vult.
Fahran wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb and disagree given that Christians, often Christians far more devout, observant, and knowledgeable than our current crop, spent centuries actively warring against Muslims and had elaborate theological justifications for doing so. I think the notion that TRUE Christianity or Islam is multicultural and tolerant in a modern liberal sense is often overplayed given the textual documents and history we have. I don't think Richard the Lionheart, Saladin, Ferdinand and Isabella, or Aurangzeb were just using religion as an excuse or simply misunderstanding the tenets of their faiths.
by Cekovia » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:26 pm
Deacarsia wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:As a far-right Christian, I am fully in support of this law. Yes, I am islamaphobic. Yes, I am not ashamed of that. Deus Vult.
As am I.Fahran wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb and disagree given that Christians, often Christians far more devout, observant, and knowledgeable than our current crop, spent centuries actively warring against Muslims and had elaborate theological justifications for doing so. I think the notion that TRUE Christianity or Islam is multicultural and tolerant in a modern liberal sense is often overplayed given the textual documents and history we have. I don't think Richard the Lionheart, Saladin, Ferdinand and Isabella, or Aurangzeb were just using religion as an excuse or simply misunderstanding the tenets of their faiths.
I agree.
by The Cazistan » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:33 pm
by Vassenor » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:35 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Islam will overtake the west in general through immigration or native reversion. Muslims have higher birthrates and as the west continues to torture itself with secularism more people will look to Islam for spirituality. France may be trying to win a battle but they're fighting in a war they will never be able to win.
by The Cazistan » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:41 pm
Vassenor wrote:The Cazistan wrote:Islam will overtake the west in general through immigration or native reversion. Muslims have higher birthrates and as the west continues to torture itself with secularism more people will look to Islam for spirituality. France may be trying to win a battle but they're fighting in a war they will never be able to win.
And this is based on what actual evidence?
by Nakena » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:42 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Islam will overtake the west in general through immigration or native reversion. Muslims have higher birthrates and as the west continues to torture itself with secularism more people will look to Islam for spirituality. France may be trying to win a battle but they're fighting in a war they will never be able to win.
by The Cazistan » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:45 pm
Nakena wrote:The Cazistan wrote:Islam will overtake the west in general through immigration or native reversion. Muslims have higher birthrates and as the west continues to torture itself with secularism more people will look to Islam for spirituality. France may be trying to win a battle but they're fighting in a war they will never be able to win.
Fat chance.
If it would come anywhere remotely close that and shit hit the fan a lot of french moslems would be likely face a similiar fate as the pied noirs in Algeria.
by Zurkir » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:49 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Nakena wrote:
Fat chance.
If it would come anywhere remotely close that and shit hit the fan a lot of french moslems would be likely face a similiar fate as the pied noirs in Algeria.
With the way liberal western countries are looking to cuckold themselves at every chance what I've suggested is far more likely to happen than your suggestion.
by Genivaria » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:50 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Nakena wrote:
Fat chance.
If it would come anywhere remotely close that and shit hit the fan a lot of french moslems would be likely face a similiar fate as the pied noirs in Algeria.
With the way liberal western countries are looking to cuckold themselves at every chance what I've suggested is far more likely to happen than your suggestion.
by Great Brytain and Ireland » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:53 pm
Zurkir wrote:The Cazistan wrote:With the way liberal western countries are looking to cuckold themselves at every chance what I've suggested is far more likely to happen than your suggestion.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali - a Muslim convert and critic of Islam - has actually made relatable predictions to yours actually. She recently said in an interview radical Islam itself cannot collapse western society and civilization alone - but the divisiveness of social leftism and the way it’s set about destabilizing western systems with it’s shame mongering identity politics and political correctness onslaught will aid such a feat by Islamic extremism.
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by Vassenor » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:57 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Vassenor wrote:
And this is based on what actual evidence?
Any statsitical data you look at points to you, there's a great plurality of sources that supports this. I'll link a few sources but we live in the information age, and you can look more up yourself.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1476876
https://foreignpolicy.com/2007/05/14/th ... religions/
https://jamestown.org/program/marlene-l ... ge-russia/
https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/rel ... 2010-2050/
by Zurkir » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:01 pm
Great Brytain and Ireland wrote:Zurkir wrote:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali - a Muslim convert and critic of Islam - has actually made relatable predictions to yours actually. She recently said in an interview radical Islam itself cannot collapse western society and civilization alone - but the divisiveness of social leftism and the way it’s set about destabilizing western systems with it’s shame mongering identity politics and political correctness onslaught will aid such a feat by Islamic extremism.
Ms Ali isn’t a convert. She was born and raised Muslim, and decided to become an apostate/leave Islam after having had enough with its teachings and unable to reconcile her faith with her experiences. Unfortunately her criticism has earned her the ire of Muslims and she now lives in hiding lest she be targeted for assassination.
by The Cazistan » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:07 pm
Vassenor wrote:The Cazistan wrote:Any statsitical data you look at points to you, there's a great plurality of sources that supports this. I'll link a few sources but we live in the information age, and you can look more up yourself.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1476876
https://foreignpolicy.com/2007/05/14/th ... religions/
https://jamestown.org/program/marlene-l ... ge-russia/
https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/rel ... 2010-2050/
When in doubt, hide behind five year old articles from conservative think tanks and decade-old guesses about what the future might be like. Dont need to use any current primary research.
by The Cazistan » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:08 pm
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by Kowani » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:28 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Vassenor wrote:
And this is based on what actual evidence?
Any statsitical data you look at points to you, there's a great plurality of sources that supports this. I'll link a few sources but we live in the information age, and you can look more up yourself.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1476876
Another factor contributing to Russia’s Muslim landscape is the country’s ongoing population decline, allied with the expansion of the Muslim minority. Demography has potentially put Islam on a trajectory to be Russia’s majority religion by 2050.
this is even worsehttps://jamestown.org/program/marlene-laruelle-how-islam-will-change-russia/
this is also entirely irrelevanthttps://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
by The Cazistan » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:37 pm
Kowani wrote:The Cazistan wrote:Any statsitical data you look at points to you, there's a great plurality of sources that supports this. I'll link a few sources but we live in the information age, and you can look more up yourself.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1476876
this guy did some really rigorous statistical analysis
i mean look, he claimed it and everythingAnother factor contributing to Russia’s Muslim landscape is the country’s ongoing population decline, allied with the expansion of the Muslim minority. Demography has potentially put Islam on a trajectory to be Russia’s majority religion by 2050.
how very convincing
this is literally irrelevant to your claimthis is even worsehttps://jamestown.org/program/marlene-laruelle-how-islam-will-change-russia/
firstly, this is russia, not france
secondly, their only source for the claim that muslims will overtake the non-muslim russian population is "it's discussed on some muslim websites"
their fearmongering about birth rates requires not understanding how population growth works or what causes it at all...which is par for the coursethis is also entirely irrelevanthttps://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
do people read their own sources at all
by Kowani » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:48 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Kowani wrote:this guy did some really rigorous statistical analysis
i mean look, he claimed it and everythingAnother factor contributing to Russia’s Muslim landscape is the country’s ongoing population decline, allied with the expansion of the Muslim minority. Demography has potentially put Islam on a trajectory to be Russia’s majority religion by 2050.
how very convincing
this is literally irrelevant to your claim
this is even worse
firstly, this is russia, not france
secondly, their only source for the claim that muslims will overtake the non-muslim russian population is "it's discussed on some muslim websites"
their fearmongering about birth rates requires not understanding how population growth works or what causes it at all...which is par for the course
this is also entirely irrelevant
do people read their own sources at all
How is showing new articles and graphs of the rise of Islam NOT relevant to my point? Do people even read listed sources at all?
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