Arkansas Passes Law Allowing Doctors to refuse LGBT Patients

[Vassenor]

Perhaps for legitimate reasons.

Sexual orientation, race, religion, etc are not legitimate reasons.

For any reason. A country club for example can refuse you membership for any reason. Would they admit to it being because you're black? Of course not, doesn't change that they could technically do it.

So how does the existence of private members clubs make it OK to discriminate in the provision of healthcare?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Just a reminder that this law applies only to elective Healthcare. That is shit like having a gem implanted in your forehead, not chemotherapy.

'elective healthcare' covers a large category of activities that have significant implications for quality of life, from refusing to fill birth control prescriptions to overriding end-of-life care decisions. Do some basic research before wandering into the thread please.

You don't die without getting birth control from a specific bigoted physician. Also don't get emotional just because you disagree with me.

[Necroghastia]

'elective healthcare' covers a large category of activities that have significant implications for quality of life, from refusing to fill birth control prescriptions to overriding end-of-life care decisions. Do some basic research before wandering into the thread please.

You don't die without getting birth control from a specific bigoted physician.

Die? Perhaps not. Have horrible period pain that could've been prevented with the proper medication? It's more likely than you think. Death isn't the end all be all of healthcare, it's quality of life as well. Epic dodge on the other example brought up, too.

Also don't get emotional just because you disagree with me.

That is shit like having a gem implanted in your forehead, not chemotherapy.

my dude this sounds way more emotional than anything nilokeras wrote lmao

[The New California Republic]

'elective healthcare' covers a large category of activities that have significant implications for quality of life, from refusing to fill birth control prescriptions to overriding end-of-life care decisions. Do some basic research before wandering into the thread please.

You don't die without getting birth control from a specific bigoted physician. Also don't get emotional just because you disagree with me.

Various types of non-emergency care can and does act as a preventative to having emergency care down the line, so actually a bigoted physician refusing non-emergency care can lead to life-threatening conditions.

Also, hormonal birth control isn't just used to prevent pregnancy, it is given for a variety of conditions, including as a preventative for anaemia caused by excessively heavy periods. Anaemia resulting from heavy periods can result in angina and heart attacks, so yes a physician flatly refusing to provide the pill could result in death.

[Nilokeras]

You don't die without getting birth control from a specific bigoted physician.

If you get denied birth control to treat your endometriosis or get your end of life care decisions revoked by a doctor that has very significant consequences for you and your loved ones.

Also don't get emotional just because you disagree with me.

Hardly. I'm just pointing out your bizarrely ill-informed opinion on what elective care is, and that if you don't want to be treated as though you already have a lump of quartz embedded in your skull by people here you might want to reconsider wading into threads without doing your research.

[The Republic of Fore]

Yep, you can do this magical revolutionary thing called "shopping somewhere else".

Ah yes, the argument of every person who has never felt discrimination.

An oldie but a goodie.

Except that I have, I had the owner of a bar and grill ask me to leave because he wasn't comfortable with a drunk injun because of how violent we get. His words. So I left and spent money somewhere else liek a normal rational adult. You should try it sometime.

[The Republic of Fore]

For any reason. A country club for example can refuse you membership for any reason. Would they admit to it being because you're black? Of course not, doesn't change that they could technically do it.

So how does the existence of private members clubs make it OK to discriminate in the provision of healthcare?

Because being a doctor doesn't make you a slave that's forced to help anyone and everyone. People love screaming "but what about your oath!"? Oaths never have been, and never will be law. You'll be okay if your doctor refers you to someone else.

[San Lumen]

Ah yes, the argument of every person who has never felt discrimination.

An oldie but a goodie.

Except that I have, I had the owner of a bar and grill ask me to leave because he wasn't comfortable with a drunk injun because of how violent we get. His words. So I left and spent money somewhere else liek a normal rational adult. You should try it sometime.

Being drunk is not the same as refusing to serve someone for being non white or gay.

So how does the existence of private members clubs make it OK to discriminate in the provision of healthcare?

Because being a doctor doesn't make you a slave that's forced to help anyone and everyone. People love screaming "but what about your oath!"? Oaths never have been, and never will be law. You'll be okay if your doctor refers you to someone else.

And what if someone needs emergency care? oh well muh rights?

[Ifreann]

So how does the existence of private members clubs make it OK to discriminate in the provision of healthcare?

Because being a doctor doesn't make you a slave that's forced to help anyone and everyone. People love screaming "but what about your oath!"? Oaths never have been, and never will be law. You'll be okay if your doctor refers you to someone else.

If you're seeing a doctor, then you probably aren't okay. And if the doctor you go to refuses to treat you, then you will continue to not be okay.

[Gongsi]

Except that I have, I had the owner of a bar and grill ask me to leave because he wasn't comfortable with a drunk injun because of how violent we get. His words. So I left and spent money somewhere else liek a normal rational adult. You should try it sometime.

Being drunk is not the same as refusing to serve someone for being non white or gay.

I don't wholly agree with Fore's stance on the matter, but in their example they were being refused for being non-white ("injun" being a dialectal rendering of "Indian"). The owner was refusing them service for being Native American, playing on the stereotype that they are violent drunkards.

[San Lumen]

Being drunk is not the same as refusing to serve someone for being non white or gay.

I don't wholly agree with Fore's stance on the matter, but in their example they were being refused for being non-white ("injun" being a dialectal rendering of "Indian"). The owner was refusing them service for being Native American, playing on the stereotype that they are violent drunkards.

Oh. I misread them. That doesn't;'t make it ok. I would not be alright with being refused medical care or service at a business for being gay.

[Porotia]

It's all quite reasonable. Gender Dysphoria is a phenomena that appears initially at ages 2 to 4, and is usually the result of children gaining memory capacity early in life. However, due to their young age, they are not mature enough to understand the potential consequences of transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries.

One of the primary reasons of why more and more children are becoming transgender is because of social media influencers who tend to glorify it to the fans who admire them. It's similar to celebrity endorsement advertisements for products in a slight comparison. As a result, they may end up uncomfortable with their appearance and become insecure about their own identity. Many individuals who have gotten sex-change operations have voiced their disapproval and regret of their actions on various social media platforms, but these voices are often stifled and snuffed out by the great mass that is the Sea of Information.

In California, starting around Kindergarten, teachers are required to teach this to very young, impressionable children who may not entirely understand and assume that they want to be transgender, even if that isn't exactly what they might want.

Transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries result ultimately in decreased ability to have kids, as well as increased suicide risk and higher tendency to commit self-harm. Complications with having sex can result from such treatment, as well as causing irreversible changes to the individual.

In most states, minors can get sex-change surgeries without even a note from their psychologists and/or therapists.

So, again, I do not approve of LGBT patients getting gender therapy and sex-change operations.

Sources:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6803a3.htm?s_cid=mm6803a3_w
https://dsm.psychiatryonline.org
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781118269978 (you'll need to request access for this one.)
https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/pn.38.14.0032
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X1930254X
https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/HEALTHYPEOPLEFAMILIES/YOUTH/Documents/minor-rights.pdf
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need
I uploaded this file to a document hosting site as it was downloaded to a .docx file.

[The Republic of Fore]

Except that I have, I had the owner of a bar and grill ask me to leave because he wasn't comfortable with a drunk injun because of how violent we get. His words. So I left and spent money somewhere else liek a normal rational adult. You should try it sometime.

Being drunk is not the same as refusing to serve someone for being non white or gay.

Because being a doctor doesn't make you a slave that's forced to help anyone and everyone. People love screaming "but what about your oath!"? Oaths never have been, and never will be law. You'll be okay if your doctor refers you to someone else.

And what if someone needs emergency care? oh well muh rights?

1. I wasn't drunk though.
2. Apparently It's too difficult for people to read posts so I'll stay this again. You can't refuse emergency care. Ever, for any reason. Non emergency care you can. Is that simple enough?

[San Lumen]

Being drunk is not the same as refusing to serve someone for being non white or gay.


And what if someone needs emergency care? oh well muh rights?

1. I wasn't drunk though.
2. Apparently It's too difficult for people to read posts so I'll stay this again. You can't refuse emergency care. Ever, for any reason. Non emergency care you can. Is that simple enough?

That doesn't make it ok. Is the Civil Rights Act unconstitutional too you?

Why should a doctor be able to refuse care for any reason expect in the case of emergency care? What makes that different?

[The New California Republic]

It's all quite reasonable. Gender Dysphoria is a phenomena that appears initially at ages 2 to 4, and is usually the result of children gaining memory capacity early in life. However, due to their young age, they are not mature enough to understand the potential consequences of transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries.

Such things are not offered to them, so why should they need to understand the consequences of it?

One of the primary reasons of why more and more children are becoming transgender is because of social media influencers who tend to glorify it to the fans who admire them. It's similar to celebrity endorsement advertisements for products in a slight comparison. As a result, they may end up uncomfortable with their appearance and become insecure about their own identity. Many individuals who have gotten sex-change operations have voiced their disapproval and regret of their actions on various social media platforms, but these voices are often stifled and snuffed out by the great mass that is the Sea of Information.

No evidence of this whatsoever.

In California, starting around Kindergarten, teachers are required to teach this to very young, impressionable children who may not entirely understand and assume that they want to be transgender, even if that isn't exactly what they might want.

Or evidence of this.

[...] increased suicide risk and higher tendency to commit self-harm.

Evidence?

[Ifreann]

It's all quite reasonable. Gender Dysphoria is a phenomena that appears initially at ages 2 to 4, and is usually the result of children gaining memory capacity early in life. However, due to their young age, they are not mature enough to understand the potential consequences of transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries.

One of the primary reasons of why more and more children are becoming transgender is because of social media influencers...

ROGD doesn't real.

[Porotia]

It's all quite reasonable. Gender Dysphoria is a phenomena that appears initially at ages 2 to 4, and is usually the result of children gaining memory capacity early in life. However, due to their young age, they are not mature enough to understand the potential consequences of transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries.

Such things are not offered to them, so why should they need to understand the consequences of it?

One of the primary reasons of why more and more children are becoming transgender is because of social media influencers who tend to glorify it to the fans who admire them. It's similar to celebrity endorsement advertisements for products in a slight comparison. As a result, they may end up uncomfortable with their appearance and become insecure about their own identity. Many individuals who have gotten sex-change operations have voiced their disapproval and regret of their actions on various social media platforms, but these voices are often stifled and snuffed out by the great mass that is the Sea of Information.

No evidence of this whatsoever.

In California, starting around Kindergarten, teachers are required to teach this to very young, impressionable children who may not entirely understand and assume that they want to be transgender, even if that isn't exactly what they might want.

Or evidence of this.

[...] increased suicide risk and higher tendency to commit self-harm.

Evidence?

Did you not read any of the sources I put in my post? Let me paste them then.

Sources:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6803a3.htm?s_cid=mm6803a3_w
https://dsm.psychiatryonline.org
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781118269978(you'll need to request access for this one.)
https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/pn.38.14.0032
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X1930254X
https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/HEALTHYPEOPLEFAMILIES/YOUTH/Documents/minor-rights.pdf
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need

I forgot one, as it was a downloaded PDF file (I'll add it to the original post). Here it is:

Just uploaded it on a document hosting site.

[Grinning Dragon]

1. I wasn't drunk though.
2. Apparently It's too difficult for people to read posts so I'll stay this again. You can't refuse emergency care. Ever, for any reason. Non emergency care you can. Is that simple enough?

That doesn't make it ok. Is the Civil Rights Act unconstitutional too you?

Why should a doctor be able to refuse care for any reason expect in the case of emergency care? What makes that different?

Depends on what a doctor specializes in, not all doctors are emergency/ trauma surgeons.

[The New California Republic]

Did you not read any of the sources I put in my post? Let me paste them then.

Link each of your claims to the sources.

[Loeje]

It's all quite reasonable. Gender Dysphoria is a phenomena that appears initially at ages 2 to 4, and is usually the result of children gaining memory capacity early in life. However, due to their young age, they are not mature enough to understand the potential consequences of transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries.

One of the primary reasons of why more and more children are becoming transgender is because of social media influencers who tend to glorify it to the fans who admire them. It's similar to celebrity endorsement advertisements for products in a slight comparison. As a result, they may end up uncomfortable with their appearance and become insecure about their own identity. Many individuals who have gotten sex-change operations have voiced their disapproval and regret of their actions on various social media platforms, but these voices are often stifled and snuffed out by the great mass that is the Sea of Information.

In California, starting around Kindergarten, teachers are required to teach this to very young, impressionable children who may not entirely understand and assume that they want to be transgender, even if that isn't exactly what they might want.

Transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries result ultimately in decreased ability to have kids, as well as increased suicide risk and higher tendency to commit self-harm. Complications with having sex can result from such treatment, as well as causing irreversible changes to the individual.

In most states, minors can get sex-change surgeries without even a note from their psychologists and/or therapists.

So, again, I do not approve of LGBT patients getting gender therapy and sex-change operations.

Sources:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6803a3.htm?s_cid=mm6803a3_w
https://dsm.psychiatryonline.org
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781118269978 (you'll need to request access for this one.)
https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/pn.38.14.0032
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X1930254X
https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/HEALTHYPEOPLEFAMILIES/YOUTH/Documents/minor-rights.pdf
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need

What are they teaching in Kindergarten?

[Porotia]

It's all quite reasonable. Gender Dysphoria is a phenomena that appears initially at ages 2 to 4, and is usually the result of children gaining memory capacity early in life. However, due to their young age, they are not mature enough to understand the potential consequences of transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries.

One of the primary reasons of why more and more children are becoming transgender is because of social media influencers who tend to glorify it to the fans who admire them. It's similar to celebrity endorsement advertisements for products in a slight comparison. As a result, they may end up uncomfortable with their appearance and become insecure about their own identity. Many individuals who have gotten sex-change operations have voiced their disapproval and regret of their actions on various social media platforms, but these voices are often stifled and snuffed out by the great mass that is the Sea of Information.

In California, starting around Kindergarten, teachers are required to teach this to very young, impressionable children who may not entirely understand and assume that they want to be transgender, even if that isn't exactly what they might want.

Transgender gender therapy and sex-change surgeries result ultimately in decreased ability to have kids, as well as increased suicide risk and higher tendency to commit self-harm. Complications with having sex can result from such treatment, as well as causing irreversible changes to the individual.

In most states, minors can get sex-change surgeries without even a note from their psychologists and/or therapists.

So, again, I do not approve of LGBT patients getting gender therapy and sex-change operations.

Sources:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6803a3.htm?s_cid=mm6803a3_w
https://dsm.psychiatryonline.org
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781118269978 (you'll need to request access for this one.)
https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/pn.38.14.0032
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X1930254X
https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/HEALTHYPEOPLEFAMILIES/YOUTH/Documents/minor-rights.pdf
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need

What are they teaching in Kindergarten?

I had forgotten this source. This explains it.

[The New California Republic]

What are they teaching in Kindergarten?

I had forgotten this source. This explains it.

That source doesn't mention sex, gender, or transgender anywhere.

[Kilobugya]

Did you not read any of the sources I put in my post? Let me paste them then.

Link each of your claims to the sources.

I don't know the name of that trick - make a bunch of unfounded claims, then dump a bunch of heavy materials vaguely related to the topic without making any direct relation between the claims and the materials, as a way to scare/drown any potential opponent. But it's not the first time I see it, and it's really obnoxious.

[Loeje]

What are they teaching in Kindergarten?

I had forgotten this source. This explains it.

I don't think that answers my question.

[The Republic of Fore]

Because being a doctor doesn't make you a slave that's forced to help anyone and everyone. People love screaming "but what about your oath!"? Oaths never have been, and never will be law. You'll be okay if your doctor refers you to someone else.

If you're seeing a doctor, then you probably aren't okay. And if the doctor you go to refuses to treat you, then you will continue to not be okay.

Spoken like someone who has never worked in an emergency room. Many, many people come to the doctor when they're perfectly okay. To get work notes, disability claims, drugs, sympathy. And you can be treated by a different doctor. There's no reason it needs to be an exact specific one. One of our local hospitals recently had multiple surgeons refuse to do business with them anymore because they started performing GRS. So they just hired new ones, and life will go on. I don't understand why you would want to be treated by a doctor who hates you.