It's a strawman type of argument. Someone says black lives matter and they respond with "WHAT YOU THINK WHITE LIVES DON'T MATTER?"
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by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:43 am
by Zul-ar » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:45 am
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by Kowani » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:00 am
by Senkaku » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:03 am
Zul-ar wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
It's a strawman type of argument. Someone says black lives matter and they respond with "WHAT YOU THINK WHITE LIVES DON'T MATTER?"
And the thing is, we never do this with anything else. If you say "remember 9/11," nobody jumps out of the woodwork complaining you don't think all buildings matter. They only ever do this when it comes to black lives, and I'm damn sure it's no coincidence.
by Kowani » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:05 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:15 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Im not happy about small businesses burning, but I don't give a shit about Target (there's a million reasons reasons hate them) and I'm more angry people were killed by police.
I strongly agree with Fahran and Ill raise Fahran one better.
Black Lives Matter.
White Euro Lives Matter.
Blue Lives Matter.
And all Lives Matter.
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:16 pm
by Kowani » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:27 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Man I really got into the wrong profession lmao, I should have become a cop. There's a section of the country that would support me no matter what.
by Neutraligon » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:07 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:14 pm
Neutraligon wrote:
...I am sorry but what civilian other then cops would have the right to respond physically to verbal taunts?
by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:14 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:18 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:28 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbf that is legal in a number of states but for officers of the law it would be a terrible look no matter what.
You know how they ruled that George Zimmerman was acting in self defense against trayvon Martin when he ran after him, started shit, started getting his ass kicked and then shot Trayvon? Does that argument apply if you insult a cop, he pulls his gun and you draw yours or is there a double standard about who can start fights and then shoot the person who fights them?
by Kowani » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm
by Stellar Colonies » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:14 pm
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by Atheris » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:15 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Im not happy about small businesses burning, but I don't give a shit about Target (there's a million reasons reasons hate them) and I'm more angry people were killed by police.
I strongly agree with Fahran and Ill raise Fahran one better.
Black Lives Matter.
White Euro Lives Matter.
Blue Lives Matter.
And all Lives Matter.
by Stellar Colonies » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:19 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Tbh I myself am a little uncomfortable with the whole black lives matter phrase, and it isnt because I don't agree with it or with what the movement is trying to achieve. I agree with the movement like 95%, but here's the thing. Police violence does not solely affect black people. Oh yeah it disproportionately affects them but it isnt solely a black issue anymore than ICE is solely a problem for latinos. The police are out of control in general and we shouldn't give non-black people a false sense of security. It's like how covid affects old people worse than it affects younger people but that doesn't mean being young makes you safe from covid. We tell young people to be careful nonetheless and say covid is a danger for everyone. Just like with covid, police abuse is an issue no one Is 100% immune to. I'm not a black man but my family has suffered three generations of police abuse and we're sick of it, and the thing is even people in the BLM movement understand that. They know police abuse doesn't just affect black people as often is stated when they say "young black and brown men are living in fear." So we keep arguing if black lives do or don't matter but I think we got it all wrong. The issue is police are getting away with murder. George Floyd's death made me mad not because he was a black man killed by police, but because he was a human being murdered by the police. His skintone didn't matter to me because when I saw the video of him dying, it reminded me of the things police officers have done to friends of mine black and not black alike. It reminded me of when they almost shot my brother in front of me over something dumb. All I'm arguing is there's more nuance to the debate than "are the police targeting black people or not?" People don't seem to understand probability and as a result the debate suffers a false dichotomy that needs correction. So instead of arguing whether black lived matter or all lives matter, my motto is "stop the state backed slayings."
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Greater Cesnica » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:21 pm
Stellar Colonies wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Tbh I myself am a little uncomfortable with the whole black lives matter phrase, and it isnt because I don't agree with it or with what the movement is trying to achieve. I agree with the movement like 95%, but here's the thing. Police violence does not solely affect black people. Oh yeah it disproportionately affects them but it isnt solely a black issue anymore than ICE is solely a problem for latinos. The police are out of control in general and we shouldn't give non-black people a false sense of security. It's like how covid affects old people worse than it affects younger people but that doesn't mean being young makes you safe from covid. We tell young people to be careful nonetheless and say covid is a danger for everyone. Just like with covid, police abuse is an issue no one Is 100% immune to. I'm not a black man but my family has suffered three generations of police abuse and we're sick of it, and the thing is even people in the BLM movement understand that. They know police abuse doesn't just affect black people as often is stated when they say "young black and brown men are living in fear." So we keep arguing if black lives do or don't matter but I think we got it all wrong. The issue is police are getting away with murder. George Floyd's death made me mad not because he was a black man killed by police, but because he was a human being murdered by the police. His skintone didn't matter to me because when I saw the video of him dying, it reminded me of the things police officers have done to friends of mine black and not black alike. It reminded me of when they almost shot my brother in front of me over something dumb. All I'm arguing is there's more nuance to the debate than "are the police targeting black people or not?" People don't seem to understand probability and as a result the debate suffers a false dichotomy that needs correction. So instead of arguing whether black lived matter or all lives matter, my motto is "stop the state backed slayings."
Especially when the gap between judicial male and female treatment is equivalent to if not more than the gap between white and black treatment.
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by Fahran » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:22 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Im not happy about small businesses burning, but I don't give a shit about Target (there's a million reasons reasons hate them) and I'm more angry people were killed by police.
I strongly agree with Fahran and Ill raise Fahran one better.
Black Lives Matter.
White Euro Lives Matter.
Blue Lives Matter.
And all Lives Matter.
by Dresderstan » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:22 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Stellar Colonies wrote:Especially when the gap between judicial male and female treatment is equivalent to if not more than the gap between white and black treatment.
It hasn't been a police v.s black people issue only for a long time. It's been a police v.s the people issue for decades.
by Fahran » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:24 pm
Vassenor wrote:Who is born a cop? That's kind of a requirement for a "blue life" to be a thing.
by Fahran » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:28 pm
Zul-ar wrote:Yes, but being mad about the former in a discussion about the later is the problem. When we're talking about the police brutalizing a black man, jumping in and saying "wElL WhAT aBoUt ThE bLm RiOTs!1?" is as ridiculous as saying "all buildings matter" on 9/11
by Greater Cesnica » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:34 pm
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:59 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Stellar Colonies wrote:Especially when the gap between judicial male and female treatment is equivalent to if not more than the gap between white and black treatment.
It hasn't been a police v.s black people issue only for a long time. It's been a police v.s the people issue for decades.
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