Toerana wrote:Unibot III wrote:Like I know I’m old and out of touch, but this sounds like some tortured ass fad. We won’t condemn them because that’s recognizing them. Under that logic nothing condemnable would be condemnable. And it’s not like major regions are ignoring CCD, they’re actively running operations against CCD.
I think there’s an argument to be made that the *proper* vehicle for the international community to express its condemnation of CCD is to condemn CCD.
I firmly disagree with this belief, especially because condemnations are often given out as the "raider equivalent" of commendations. They're seen as a badge of honour, recognition of great achievement (like "negative" stats), or as a way to recognize roleplay communities specific form of roleplay.
In Comparison, CCD is controversial and largely condemned because of allegations of them harbouring OOC fascists. Glorifying and recognizing a region for being a center of a game-wide shunned ideology isn't the best idea. Better to ignore them and leave them alone than give them further attention and by extension likely give the issues and ideologies that NS' playerbase near unanimously despises for OOC reasons further recognition and legitimacy.
Like, I understand this view, but it’s a view that’s been expressed before and gone in and out of fashion in the WASC every season. The reality is WA Condemnations are diverse in purpose, some are backhanded commendations (“*wink* *wink* nice job raiding”) and some are actual condemnations. The existence of the former on the books doesn’t negate the possibility of the latter, no more than the existence of the latter on the books negates the possibility of the former. We’ve condemned Nazis and we’ve condemned Omigodtheykilledkenny. We’ve done both, we can do both.
CCD gets *plenty* of attention - if the goal of TNP et. al. is to not give CCD attention, they have spectacularly failed in those regards. My thought is not all attention is good attention, nor wanted attention. If the international community wants to condemn CCD, condemn it. That’s why we have this tool in our possession: to condemn.
Anyways, I bring it up only as an idea. I think over the past few months we’ve seen CCD’s opponents try to obstruct the WA, rather than approach the WA in the way it was intended.
Pluvie wrote:Tinhampton wrote:Condemn Odhinnia did not get removed from the voting floor simply because Odhinnia got DEATed during the voting phase. Not a staff member but I'd imagine the same principle's in effect today
Interesting! I legitimately wonder how that would work in a nation sense because I assumed the c&c was dependent on the nation, but I guess in that case I would be led to believe it might be based on the id instead. Very cool, thank you all for answering my silly questions
Also Unibot, as a minor suggestion to the thread, maybe you could include some resources for players trying to write c&c? Like history archives, the link to the ns history thread, idk stuff like that that could be used to help do research into candidates before writing them. In addition you could also maybe provide ways to contact the candidates? Idk if that would even be possible. Anyway, I just think research is often a really hard thing to gather for new players looking to get involved so some links and such to help those players might be cool
I’ll have to think on it, but of course. Sounds like a good idea!
Comfed wrote:Pluvie wrote:Okay actually this does ask an interesting question. What happens if a proposal is at vote when the nation it’s commending/condemning, ctes? Or on that same line of thought, what happens if a region being liberated is killed during a liberation proposal? And even further I would wonder, what happens if a region is commended or condemned and then refounded later? Does it keep the badge? I am so full of questions...
Fun fact, Mallorea and Riva refounded his region, which was previously a commended RP region. It kept the badge until some indignant RPers repealed the commend after Liberate Haven.
I always loved that region because it seemed like the rotten borough of commendations.