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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:42 am

My Political Fantasy wrote:The co-prosperity sphere from what I've read was created to benefit the Japanese home islands because they lacked natural resources. It sounds like a euphemism for Japanese autarky if you think about it.

Marketing. "Asia for the Asiatics" was the catchphrase
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:44 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
My Political Fantasy wrote:The co-prosperity sphere from what I've read was created to benefit the Japanese home islands because they lacked natural resources. It sounds like a euphemism for Japanese autarky if you think about it.

Marketing. "Asia for the Asiatics" was the catchphrase

"Imperial Japanese Free Trade Zone"
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:45 am

My Political Fantasy wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Marketing. "Asia for the Asiatics" was the catchphrase

"Imperial Japanese Free Trade Zone"

How could the IMF not love it?
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:47 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
My Political Fantasy wrote:"Imperial Japanese Free Trade Zone"

How could the IMF not love it?


Hitler and Hirohito were trying to create their own version of NAFTA, that's all.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:50 am

My Political Fantasy wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:How could the IMF not love it?


Hitler and Hirohito were trying to create their own version of NAFTA, that's all.

You could make the argument that the concept of the euro came from the prewar Reichsbank
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
My Political Fantasy wrote:The co-prosperity sphere from what I've read was created to benefit the Japanese home islands because they lacked natural resources. It sounds like a euphemism for Japanese autarky if you think about it.

Marketing. "Asia for the Asiatics" was the catchphrase


"Asia for Asiatics" in propaganda. "Asia for Japan, asiatics as slaves" in practice.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:09 am

It's really depressing to think that it was well meaning liberals who dreamed up the co-prosperity sphere and had to live through the army turning it into a Frankenstein monster
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Postby Giovenith » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:25 am

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Postby My Political Fantasy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:30 am

Kubra wrote:It's really depressing to think that it was well meaning liberals who dreamed up the co-prosperity sphere and had to live through the army turning it into a Frankenstein monster

You can make the most horrible actions, concepts, ideas, or objects and turn them into euphemisms to make them socially acceptable to hide your real goals.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:32 am

My Political Fantasy wrote:
Kubra wrote:It's really depressing to think that it was well meaning liberals who dreamed up the co-prosperity sphere and had to live through the army turning it into a Frankenstein monster

You can make the most horrible actions, concepts, ideas, or objects and turn them into euphemisms to make them socially acceptable to hide your real goals.


Like "the super adventure club."
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:35 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
My Political Fantasy wrote:You can make the most horrible actions, concepts, ideas, or objects and turn them into euphemisms to make them socially acceptable to hide your real goals.


Like "the super adventure club."


Wow, the Axis sounds fun to be in.

(I searched it and I'm cringing)
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 am

Jesus, people need to go outside or something and stop defending Japan's war atrocities because of anime girls or whatever. If you think Japanese colonialism and events like the rape of Nanjing and Bataan Death March were a good thing, kindly re-examine your moral alignment.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:58 am

An excuse for Japanese colonialism.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:03 am

Rusozak wrote:Jesus, people need to go outside or something and stop defending Japan's war atrocities because of anime girls or whatever. If you think Japanese colonialism and events like the rape of Nanjing and Bhutan Death March were a good thing, kindly re-examine your moral alignment.


Batan death March. Thankfully the kingdom of Bhutan was spared the horror more than its neighbors.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:04 am

Some pretty gnarly imperialism, it was.
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:06 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Rusozak wrote:Jesus, people need to go outside or something and stop defending Japan's war atrocities because of anime girls or whatever. If you think Japanese colonialism and events like the rape of Nanjing and Bhutan Death March were a good thing, kindly re-examine your moral alignment.


Batan death March. Thankfully the kingdom of Bhutan was spared the horror more than its neighbors.


Whoops. Sometimes mix the names up.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:10 am

Rusozak wrote:Jesus, people need to go outside or something and stop defending Japan's war atrocities because of anime girls or whatever. If you think Japanese colonialism and events like the rape of Nanjing and Bataan Death March were a good thing, kindly re-examine your moral alignment.


Japanese war atrocities are not as well known, especially compared to things like the Holocaust and other things the Germans did.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:14 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Rusozak wrote:Jesus, people need to go outside or something and stop defending Japan's war atrocities because of anime girls or whatever. If you think Japanese colonialism and events like the rape of Nanjing and Bataan Death March were a good thing, kindly re-examine your moral alignment.


Japanese war atrocities are not as well known, especially compared to things like the Holocaust and other things the Germans did.

Not in Europe or America, the Asian nations have not forgotten
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Japanese war atrocities are not as well known, especially compared to things like the Holocaust and other things the Germans did.

Not in Europe or America, the Asian nations have not forgotten

And in the case of some nations impacted the hardest, they have not quite forgiven.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:35 am

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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. -1 Timothy 1:15

“No one in the world can change Truth. What we can do and should do is to seek truth and to serve it when we have found it. The real conflict is the inner conflict. Beyond armies of occupation and the hecatombs of extermination camps, there are two irreconcilable enemies in the depth of every soul: good and evil, sin and love. And what use are the victories on the battlefield if we ourselves are defeated in our innermost personal selves?”
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not in Europe or America, the Asian nations have not forgotten

And in the case of some nations impacted the hardest, they have not quite forgiven.


Understandably so. Around here when people think of Japan they think anime and robots and pop culture. I'm sure walking around with a rising sun t shirt hits differently in the Philippines.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:16 am

Rusozak wrote:
New Visayan Islands wrote:And in the case of some nations impacted the hardest, they have not quite forgiven.


Understandably so. Around here when people think of Japan they think anime and robots and pop culture. I'm sure walking around with a rising sun t shirt hits differently in the Philippines.


They have different preferences. :^)
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Postby Husseinarti » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:29 am

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cringe and cringepilled

Rusozak wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Batan death March. Thankfully the kingdom of Bhutan was spared the horror more than its neighbors.


Whoops. Sometimes mix the names up.


Those two names aren't even pronounced the same.

Bhutan Death March sounds like a good metal band name so thanks for that.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:37 am

My Political Fantasy wrote:
Kubra wrote:It's really depressing to think that it was well meaning liberals who dreamed up the co-prosperity sphere and had to live through the army turning it into a Frankenstein monster

You can make the most horrible actions, concepts, ideas, or objects and turn them into euphemisms to make them socially acceptable to hide your real goals.
Sure but Kiyoshi Miki sure as heck didn't do that, the dude thought up the thing then got tortured to death for hiding a communist from the cops.
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