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by Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:31 am
by Baltenstein » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:20 pm
Insaanistan wrote:
If we want Turkey to be more open to admitting it was a genocide, we should acknowledge the complexity of what happened and its surrounding context, acknowledged Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire (too bad for you, political “Islamists”), and and educate ourselves and each other on the full Ottoman history, the one of the beacon of hope in Europe, a defender of the Eastern World, a center of knowledge and tolerance, and one of the largest empires in history; far different from the “sick man of Europe” who committed a genocide it is more often portrayed as in the West.
by Insaanistan » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:25 pm
Baltenstein wrote:Insaanistan wrote:
If we want Turkey to be more open to admitting it was a genocide, we should acknowledge the complexity of what happened and its surrounding context, acknowledged Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire (too bad for you, political “Islamists”), and and educate ourselves and each other on the full Ottoman history, the one of the beacon of hope in Europe, a defender of the Eastern World, a center of knowledge and tolerance, and one of the largest empires in history; far different from the “sick man of Europe” who committed a genocide it is more often portrayed as in the West.
We do not, in fact, have to shill other people's racist/nationalist/religious supremacism - which a large part of your post is, btw - in order to get them to maybe adress their universally recognized atrocities.
by Greater Cesnica » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:47 pm
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by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:48 pm
Sundiata wrote:I think that the government Turkey should formally apologize if they already haven't.
by Adamede » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:48 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Erdogan is a person who can accept the so-called Armenian genocide lie for his own interests. I think questioning is important for true enlightenment, so it shouldn't be said to exist or not. Unfortunately, in the Middle East, the so-called Armenian genocide is being used for politics, nobody takes responsibility. Armenia and Turkey work plan must be created by impartial historians. Unfortunately, this is not possible with political Islamists. If I tell the political Islamists this, I will be considered an Armenian nationalist. Just like Armenian Racists portray me as a Turkish racistGreater Cesnica wrote:That would require Erdogan leaving office for that to even be a possibility.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:54 pm
Adamede wrote:Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Erdogan is a person who can accept the so-called Armenian genocide lie for his own interests. I think questioning is important for true enlightenment, so it shouldn't be said to exist or not. Unfortunately, in the Middle East, the so-called Armenian genocide is being used for politics, nobody takes responsibility. Armenia and Turkey work plan must be created by impartial historians. Unfortunately, this is not possible with political Islamists. If I tell the political Islamists this, I will be considered an Armenian nationalist. Just like Armenian Racists portray me as a Turkish racist
Wow the Turkish nationalist doesn’t believe in the Armenian genocide what a surprise.
by The Marlborough » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:01 pm
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:Benny Morris and Dror Ze'evi wrote a book titled The Thirty-Year Genocide: Turkey’s Destruction of Its Christian Minorities, 1894–1924, which frames the Armenian Genocide as part of a broader thirty-year campaign by the Ottoman Empire to destroy its Christian populations. I haven't read it (yet). Has someone here, perhaps?
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:03 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:Benny Morris and Dror Ze'evi wrote a book titled The Thirty-Year Genocide: Turkey’s Destruction of Its Christian Minorities, 1894–1924, which frames the Armenian Genocide as part of a broader thirty-year campaign by the Ottoman Empire to destroy its Christian populations. I haven't read it (yet). Has someone here, perhaps?
I know someone who read it that summed it up as "An argument that the Ottoman government, knowing it couldn't prevent hatred towards Christian communities, should have ethnically cleansed them instead of sanctioning genocide". Not sure if that is true or accurate in terms of the contents of the book.
by Atheris » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:06 pm
by The Marlborough » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:10 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:The Marlborough wrote:I know someone who read it that summed it up as "An argument that the Ottoman government, knowing it couldn't prevent hatred towards Christian communities, should have ethnically cleansed them instead of sanctioning genocide". Not sure if that is true or accurate in terms of the contents of the book.
Lol wut? That would be an unethical take.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:11 pm
by The Marlborough » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:14 pm
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:The Marlborough wrote:Well I know Benny Morris has said in the past that ethnic cleansing is preferable and less morally wrong compared to genocide if one is forced to make a decision between the two.
He isn’t wrong though. The correct solution instead would have been abolition of the Ottoman Empire. That is, UK and France should have been more principled and stood their ground in places such as Cilicia.
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:18 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
He isn’t wrong though. The correct solution instead would have been abolition of the Ottoman Empire. That is, UK and France should have been more principled and stood their ground in places such as Cilicia.
No they wouldn't, the abandoned numerous Armenian and other Christian communities. The French didn't bother to save Armenians when retreating. Also the abolition of the Ottoman Empire and the preceding fear that Christians would lead to its fall, are partially what led to the genocides.
by Cetacea » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:50 pm
Crabaiaia wrote:This is the thread for discussion and rememberance of the events of tension that happened between Armenian civilians and Ottoman troops in 1915. As well as discussions on alternate history on what could've happened if the genocide never happened.The Armenian Genocide ABSOLUTELY happened. There is evidence of such with interviews of survivors and actual graphic photography of the events. Using the Khojaly Massacre of 1992 to justify denying the genocide is like denying the Holocaust because of what Israel did in the 1st and 2nd Infitadas, your countries are not as great as you think they are. Now shove that in your head otherwise you will be in my list of hated users
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:52 pm
Cetacea wrote:Crabaiaia wrote:This is the thread for discussion and rememberance of the events of tension that happened between Armenian civilians and Ottoman troops in 1915. As well as discussions on alternate history on what could've happened if the genocide never happened.The Armenian Genocide ABSOLUTELY happened. There is evidence of such with interviews of survivors and actual graphic photography of the events. Using the Khojaly Massacre of 1992 to justify denying the genocide is like denying the Holocaust because of what Israel did in the 1st and 2nd Infitadas, your countries are not as great as you think they are. Now shove that in your head otherwise you will be in my list of hated users
It always intrigues me that people want to emphasize the ‘Armenian Genocide of 1915’ without acknowledging that it occurred within the ongong series of conflicts in Anatolia. Moreover people seem fine with ignoring that Five million European Muslims were driven from their lands and resettled as refugees in Turkey and another five and a half million who died as a result of Christian ethnic nationalism supported by the European Great Powers. This includes the outcomes of the Greek Uprising through to the Circassian Genocide of 1864, the Balkan Expulsions of 1912 and the Russian invasion of Ottoman Lands in 1915.
Almost a quarter of Turkeys population descends from these Muhacirs and the result was that there was a huge mistrust and fear of Christian Nationalism by the Ottoman people and of Armenians in particular due to the ongoing collaboration of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation’s legions with Russian military forces, including the declared goal of provoking the Ottoman authorities into direct conflict in order to force intervention from the Europe Powers.
I’ll not deny that a genocide happened, but it should be recognised that it occured within the broader context of ongoing Warfare and a series of atrocities and genocides on all sides including Turkey, the Armenians and Europe in general
by Outer Bratorke » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:05 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:09 pm
by Insaanistan » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:32 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:14 am
Halivaara wrote:I know Turks who acknowledges the Armenian genocide, but doubles down and said it was a good thing and there is nothing to be ashamed of, disgusting
by Baltenstein » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:24 am
Halivaara wrote:I know Turks who acknowledges the Armenian genocide, but doubles down and said it was a good thing and there is nothing to be ashamed of, disgusting
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:25 am
by Baltenstein » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:31 am
by Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:33 am
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