Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

[Vetalia]

The problem is those kids then infecting their parents.

Unless their parents are in their 70's-80's with dementia and COPD I think they'll be OK.

[Rusozak]

Some people have massive hate boners for against COVID restrictions and will come up with any excuse to be angry and demand we stop preventing deaths.

I want you to prove to me COVID restrictions have worked to "prevent deaths" in any country that is not an island, in the middle of nowhere or otherwise geographically isolated.

I also want you to prove to me that you gave a shit about anyone who is elderly who died from influenza or pneumonia prior to 3/15/20. This type of virtue signaling is infuriating.

As is your apparent belief that because some healthcare workers somewhere at some point in time did something fun in their off time then all healthcare workers are slacking and all hospitals aren't really overwhelmed.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Some people have massive hate boners for against COVID restrictions and will come up with any excuse to be angry and demand we stop preventing deaths.

I want you to prove to me COVID restrictions have worked to "prevent deaths" in any country that is not an island, in the middle of nowhere or otherwise geographically isolated.

I also want you to prove to me that you gave a shit about anyone who is elderly who died from influenza or pneumonia prior to 3/15/20. I'd also be interested to hear your thoughts on the millions of people who die from tuberculosis and diarrheal diseases, especially children.

This type of virtue signaling is infuriating.

You mean the 15000 people who die from the flu, compared to the 480,000 dead from covid?

[Vetalia]

As is your apparent belief that because some healthcare workers somewhere at some point in time did something fun in their off time then all healthcare workers are slacking and all hospitals aren't really overwhelmed.

You didn't answer my question.

[Esalia]

Clearly because some nurses did some tiktok dances there is absolutely no problem facing hospitals. Clearly things like "idiots" and "breaks" and "non-overwhelmed hospitals in parts of the country (or even out-of-country) where the hospital system isn't overwhelmed" magically ceased to exist.

I want you to provide to me current data showing hospitals are overwhelmed.

I don't need to in order to point out the shit-tier argument that "no hospitals are overwhelmed because nurses danced on tiktok" is. Particularly since I'm not arguing that hospitals are overwhelmed, but that "nurses dancing on tiktok" is a terrible metric to determine whether or not hospital systems are overwhelmed.

I don't need to prove the Earth is round to criticise a flat Earther, and quite frankly this argument is exactly the same calibre as flat Eather arguments. Take one thing that is missing tons of details (like, say, the hospitals these nurses worked at, the number of nurses doing these dances to the point where it's an impediment to their duties, etc.), and act as if it magically proves their entire point.

Because unless you have the powers of "knowing the exact hospital every single tiktok nurse worked at", "knowing the proportion of nurses doing tiktok dances to the point where it is impossible for a particular area to be overwhelmed with COVID cases", or some other magical power by which you can genuinely determine that the number of tiktok nurses dancing is so high there's no way in hell a hospital system anywhere is overwhelmed with COVID, your argument has the strength of wet paper and is simply shitty moral outrage.

I would also point out that these people you charitably described as idiots (so much for FRONTLINE HEALTHCARE HEROES)

I also said "breaks" and "non-overwhelmed hospitals in parts of the country (or even out-of-country) where the hospital system isn't overwhelmed".

They might be morons, they might be in a hospital coping so well with covid that they have the time to do TikTok dances. Who fucking knows.

had the time to not only perform but choreograph their dances requiring a huge investment of time beforehand.

And we have no clue if they spent any of their working time practising. Or they're in hospitals that aren't overwhelmed and can spend that time.

[Vetalia]

I want you to prove to me COVID restrictions have worked to "prevent deaths" in any country that is not an island, in the middle of nowhere or otherwise geographically isolated.

I also want you to prove to me that you gave a shit about anyone who is elderly who died from influenza or pneumonia prior to 3/15/20. I'd also be interested to hear your thoughts on the millions of people who die from tuberculosis and diarrheal diseases, especially children.

This type of virtue signaling is infuriating.

You mean the 15000 people who die from the flu, compared to the 480,000 dead from covid?

Did you care about the 2,200 children who die every day from diarrheal disease or the 1.4 million people who died from tuberculosis in 2019? The difference is, I don't virtue signal with my mask for online asspats and all the rest of the silly shit from this pandemic. I see it for what it is.

[Rusozak]

I want you to provide to me current data showing hospitals are overwhelmed.

I don't need to in order to point out the shit-tier argument that "no hospitals are overwhelmed because nurses danced on tiktok" is. Particularly since I'm not arguing that hospitals are overwhelmed, but that "nurses dancing on tiktok" is a terrible metric to determine whether or not hospital systems are overwhelmed.

I don't need to prove the Earth is round to criticise a flat Earther, and quite frankly this argument is exactly the same calibre as flat Eather arguments. Take one thing that is missing tons of details (like, say, the hospitals these nurses worked at, the number of nurses doing these dances to the point where it's an impediment to their duties, etc.), and act as if it magically proves their entire point.

Because unless you have the powers of "knowing the exact hospital every single tiktok nurse worked at", "knowing the proportion of nurses doing tiktok dances to the point where it is impossible for a particular area to be overwhelmed with COVID cases", or some other magical power by which you can genuinely determine that the number of tiktok nurses dancing is so high there's no way in hell a hospital system anywhere is overwhelmed with COVID, your argument has the strength of wet paper and is simply shitty moral outrage.

I would also point out that these people you charitably described as idiots (so much for FRONTLINE HEALTHCARE HEROES)

I also said "breaks" and "non-overwhelmed hospitals in parts of the country (or even out-of-country) where the hospital system isn't overwhelmed".

They might be morons, they might be in a hospital coping so well with covid that they have the time to do TikTok dances. Who fucking knows.

had the time to not only perform but choreograph their dances requiring a huge investment of time beforehand.

And we have no clue if they spent any of their working time practising. Or they're in hospitals that aren't overwhelmed and can spend that time.

I saw a video of off-duty US troops having fun on a beach in Vietnam once. That means the Vietnam War was fake right? (Same logic)

[Neutraligon]

Oh no students are getting depressed and killing themselves because they are stuck inside and have to deal with distance learning. Same person, doctors and nurses who have to deal with patients dying due to the same disease that is keeping students stuck inside should not have any chance to decompress and simply have a chance to deal with all the death and horror they are facing. Nope their mental health matters so much less.

[Kowani]

NY AG says the Cuomo administration undercounted coronavirus-related deaths at nursing homes by as much as 50%

He's still underreporting deaths again

[Vetalia]

I don't need to in order to point out the shit-tier argument that "no hospitals are overwhelmed because nurses danced on tiktok" is. Particularly since I'm not arguing that hospitals are overwhelmed, but that "nurses dancing on tiktok" is a terrible metric to determine whether or not hospital systems are overwhelmed.

I don't need to prove the Earth is round to criticise a flat Earther, and quite frankly this argument is exactly the same calibre as flat Eather arguments. Take one thing that is missing tons of details (like, say, the hospitals these nurses worked at, the number of nurses doing these dances to the point where it's an impediment to their duties, etc.), and act as if it magically proves their entire point.

Because unless you have the powers of "knowing the exact hospital every single tiktok nurse worked at", "knowing the proportion of nurses doing tiktok dances to the point where it is impossible for a particular area to be overwhelmed with COVID cases", or some other magical power by which you can genuinely determine that the number of tiktok nurses dancing is so high there's no way in hell a hospital system anywhere is overwhelmed with COVID, your argument has the strength of wet paper and is simply shitty moral outrage.

A bunch of windy bullshit to state the fact that hospitals are not overwhelemed. Call me crazy but I would suspect that our frontline healthcare heroes would not have the time to choreograph dances on TikTok if they were actually overwhelmed. And in regards to your secondary point, why weren't they requesting transfers to the "overwhelmed" hospitals rather than dancing around like jackasses?

I also said "breaks" and "non-overwhelmed hospitals in parts of the country (or even out-of-country) where the hospital system isn't overwhelmed".

They might be morons, they might be in a hospital coping so well with covid that they have the time to do TikTok dances. Who fucking knows.

Now you're getting it.

And we have no clue if they spent any of their working time practising. Or they're in hospitals that aren't overwhelmed and can spend that time.

I am sure they clocked out beforehand, lol. And see above, if they are not busy, why aren't they going somewhere else that needs it to help?

[Esalia]

I don't need to in order to point out the shit-tier argument that "no hospitals are overwhelmed because nurses danced on tiktok" is. Particularly since I'm not arguing that hospitals are overwhelmed, but that "nurses dancing on tiktok" is a terrible metric to determine whether or not hospital systems are overwhelmed.

I don't need to prove the Earth is round to criticise a flat Earther, and quite frankly this argument is exactly the same calibre as flat Eather arguments. Take one thing that is missing tons of details (like, say, the hospitals these nurses worked at, the number of nurses doing these dances to the point where it's an impediment to their duties, etc.), and act as if it magically proves their entire point.

Because unless you have the powers of "knowing the exact hospital every single tiktok nurse worked at", "knowing the proportion of nurses doing tiktok dances to the point where it is impossible for a particular area to be overwhelmed with COVID cases", or some other magical power by which you can genuinely determine that the number of tiktok nurses dancing is so high there's no way in hell a hospital system anywhere is overwhelmed with COVID, your argument has the strength of wet paper and is simply shitty moral outrage.



I also said "breaks" and "non-overwhelmed hospitals in parts of the country (or even out-of-country) where the hospital system isn't overwhelmed".

They might be morons, they might be in a hospital coping so well with covid that they have the time to do TikTok dances. Who fucking knows.



And we have no clue if they spent any of their working time practising. Or they're in hospitals that aren't overwhelmed and can spend that time.

I saw a video of off-duty US troops having fun on a beach in Vietnam once. That means the Vietnam War was fake right? (Same logic)

It's literally on par with a "here's a photo of a horizon, see a curve? You don't? Well clearly the Earth must be flat then" from a flat Earther.

Congrats, you've discovered that nurses are people, people use TikTok, people do dances on TikTok, and so nurses are dancing on TikTok. Save your moral outrage for more substantial evidence of either lying about the state of the healthcare system in an area or nurses showing a dereliction in their duty than people dancing on TikTok.

[Vetalia]

I saw a video of off-duty US troops having fun on a beach in Vietnam once. That means the Vietnam War was fake right? (Same logic)

This is so incomparable it's absurd

[Kowani]

California shifts its vaccine eligibility once again to cover millions with severe disabilities

[Vetalia]

It's literally on par with a "here's a photo of a horizon, see a curve? You don't? Well clearly the Earth must be flat then" from a flat Earther.

Congrats, you've discovered that nurses are people, people use TikTok, people do dances on TikTok, and so nurses are dancing on TikTok. Save your moral outrage for more substantial evidence of either lying about the state of the healthcare system in an area or nurses showing a dereliction in their duty than people dancing on TikTok.

Why aren't they working in the so-called overwhelmed hospitals rather than playing grab-ass and dancing around? That's their job, after all.

[Neutraligon]

It's literally on par with a "here's a photo of a horizon, see a curve? You don't? Well clearly the Earth must be flat then" from a flat Earther.

Congrats, you've discovered that nurses are people, people use TikTok, people do dances on TikTok, and so nurses are dancing on TikTok. Save your moral outrage for more substantial evidence of either lying about the state of the healthcare system in an area or nurses showing a dereliction in their duty than people dancing on TikTok.

Why aren't they working in the so-called overwhelmed hospitals rather than playing grab-ass and dancing around? That's their job, after all.

Oh no students are getting depressed and killing themselves because they are stuck inside and have to deal with distance learning. Same person, doctors and nurses who have to deal with patients dying due to the same disease that is keeping students stuck inside should not have any chance to decompress and simply have a chance to deal with all the death and horror they are facing. Nope their mental health matters so much less.

[Esalia]

It's literally on par with a "here's a photo of a horizon, see a curve? You don't? Well clearly the Earth must be flat then" from a flat Earther.

Congrats, you've discovered that nurses are people, people use TikTok, people do dances on TikTok, and so nurses are dancing on TikTok. Save your moral outrage for more substantial evidence of either lying about the state of the healthcare system in an area or nurses showing a dereliction in their duty than people dancing on TikTok.

Why aren't they working in the so-called overwhelmed hospitals rather than playing grab-ass and dancing around? That's their job, after all.

Have you heard of things called "breaks"?

And how do you know for sure that these TikTok nurses are in overwhelmed hospitals? Are you psychic, or are you still pulling shit out of your ass?

[Esalia]

I don't need to in order to point out the shit-tier argument that "no hospitals are overwhelmed because nurses danced on tiktok" is. Particularly since I'm not arguing that hospitals are overwhelmed, but that "nurses dancing on tiktok" is a terrible metric to determine whether or not hospital systems are overwhelmed.

I don't need to prove the Earth is round to criticise a flat Earther, and quite frankly this argument is exactly the same calibre as flat Eather arguments. Take one thing that is missing tons of details (like, say, the hospitals these nurses worked at, the number of nurses doing these dances to the point where it's an impediment to their duties, etc.), and act as if it magically proves their entire point.

Because unless you have the powers of "knowing the exact hospital every single tiktok nurse worked at", "knowing the proportion of nurses doing tiktok dances to the point where it is impossible for a particular area to be overwhelmed with COVID cases", or some other magical power by which you can genuinely determine that the number of tiktok nurses dancing is so high there's no way in hell a hospital system anywhere is overwhelmed with COVID, your argument has the strength of wet paper and is simply shitty moral outrage.

A bunch of windy bullshit to state the fact that hospitals are not overwhelemed.

Did you read my post?

Like, at all?

Nowhere in there did I say that hospitals aren't overwhelmed. I said it's not relevant to my argument whether or not there's hospitals getting overwhelmed, because I'm arguing that TikTok nurses are not a good barometer for the state of the healthcare system. If you want to prove conclusively that nowhere anywhere is overwhelmed by COVID, get off TikTok and start looking at some statistics.

The only way the overwhelmedness of hospitals would have any impact on my argument is if every single hospital on the goddamn planet was so overwhelmed it's an "all hands on deck" situation globally, in which case we probably wouldn't be talking.

Call me crazy but I would suspect that our frontline healthcare heroes would not have the time to choreograph dances on TikTok if they were actually overwhelmed.

How are we sure that these TikTok nurses are actually in the overwhelmed hospitals?

You seem incredibly confident that you know all about these nurses and know that they must be in overwhelmed hospitals.

And in regards to your secondary point, why weren't they requesting transfers to the "overwhelmed" hospitals rather than dancing around like jackasses?

Jesus Christ you are reaching hard to try to keep this point standing.

Please, show me that all of these TikTok nurses even could transfer to an overwhelmed hospital, because I'm pretty sure things like "international borders" aren't things you can just saunter across even in a time of COVID. Also things like "actually getting a job in that overwhelmed hospital", "getting housing if that hospital is too far out from your current housing", etc.

Also, we might be in COVIDworld, but every other health issue hasn't magically just came to a standstill so the healthcare system can go all in on COVID.

And we have no clue if they spent any of their working time practising. Or they're in hospitals that aren't overwhelmed and can spend that time.

I am sure they clocked out beforehand, lol. And see above, if they are not busy, why aren't they going somewhere else that needs it to help?

See above, and see things called "breaks in non-overwhelmed hospitals".

[Kowani]

The WHO's Wuhan investigation team rejects the Lab Origin Hypothesis, focuses on animals and frozen food

Never mind, it's back on the table

[Kowani]

and, crossposting

Pentagon approves 20 more military coronavirus vaccination teams, bringing the number of approved vaccination teams to 25, with a total of about 4,700 service members

[Albrenia]

It's literally on par with a "here's a photo of a horizon, see a curve? You don't? Well clearly the Earth must be flat then" from a flat Earther.

Congrats, you've discovered that nurses are people, people use TikTok, people do dances on TikTok, and so nurses are dancing on TikTok. Save your moral outrage for more substantial evidence of either lying about the state of the healthcare system in an area or nurses showing a dereliction in their duty than people dancing on TikTok.

Why aren't they working in the so-called overwhelmed hospitals rather than playing grab-ass and dancing around? That's their job, after all.

Are you being serious? You think because a few of them have the time to do a stupid dance for a few minutes it means there's no problem at all?

I know I've given San Lumen shit in the past for worrying about the horrors of life without live musicals, but this makes that look entirely reasonable by comparison.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Oh no students are getting depressed and killing themselves because they are stuck inside and have to deal with distance learning. Same person, doctors and nurses who have to deal with patients dying due to the same disease that is keeping students stuck inside should not have any chance to decompress and simply have a chance to deal with all the death and horror they are facing. Nope their mental health matters so much less.

I do imagine said nurses are likely not doing it while clocked in...I totally get what you're trying to say here. For them, these TikToks are an escape, a way to cope, to feel human again. (I'm not a nurse, so please call me out if my imagination is erroneous in this respect.) The horror they must face is real, and this is where the dilemma lies--how little is too little, and how much is too much?

*Retreats into corner*

[Kowani]

The humidity from masks may lessen the severity of COVID-19

[Neutraligon]

Oh no students are getting depressed and killing themselves because they are stuck inside and have to deal with distance learning. Same person, doctors and nurses who have to deal with patients dying due to the same disease that is keeping students stuck inside should not have any chance to decompress and simply have a chance to deal with all the death and horror they are facing. Nope their mental health matters so much less.

I do imagine said nurses are likely not doing it while clocked in...I totally get what you're trying to say here. For them, these TikToks are an escape, a way to cope, to feel human again. (I'm not a nurse, so please call me out if my imagination is erroneous in this respect.) The horror they must face is real, and this is where the dilemma lies--how little is too little, and how much is too much?

*Retreats into corner*

It isn't just the horror, it is the constantness of it. The students who have to stay home, yeah they have nothing on the doctors and nurses. Every day they have to deal with the people who didn't listen, or don't believe that Corona is real, they don't have it, they are just a little sick. They have to go in to the dying over and over and over again. For a year, even as the numbers go up and up and up with no relief in sight. Even during normal times doctors and nurses in the hospitals have to deal with a shit ton of stress and need to find a way to let it all out. Now it is even worse. Burnout even during normal times is a very big possibility, let alone with a pandemic going on. So now, for a very brief moment, they found a way to let decompress so that they do not go crazy and burnout, and you guys are blaming them for it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You mean the 15000 people who die from the flu, compared to the 480,000 dead from covid?

Did you care about the 2,200 children who die every day from diarrheal disease or the 1.4 million people who died from tuberculosis in 2019? The difference is, I don't virtue signal with my mask for online asspats and all the rest of the silly shit from this pandemic. I see it for what it is.

Diarrhea disease that we can treat? It sucks that in places in the global south these preventable deaths happen and we ought to do more about it. Same with tuberculosis.

Right now tho, a deadly plague is sweeping through almost every country on earth and it's been particularly bad here. We've lost over 400,000 people, so no one is virtue signaling. We're genuinely concerned whereas you wanna open everything for reasons beyond us.

[Luminesa]

Clearly because some nurses did some tiktok dances there is absolutely no problem facing hospitals. Clearly things like "idiots" and "breaks" and "non-overwhelmed hospitals in parts of the country (or even out-of-country) where the hospital system isn't overwhelmed" magically ceased to exist.

I want you to provide to me current data showing hospitals are overwhelmed. I would also point out that these people you charitably described as idiots (so much for FRONTLINE HEALTHCARE HEROES) had the time to not only perform but choreograph their dances requiring a huge investment of time beforehand.

Frontline workers ARE overwhelmed, regardless what phenomena some decide to do on TikTok. And even those who are doing the dances, whether or not one likes TikTok, ARE still medical professionals. And yes, THEY ARE OVERWHELMED.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com ... ients/amp/

This is without mentioning that New York had so many bodies last year that they had to put people in UNMARKED GRAVES in STATEN ISLAND.

I don’t know what anti-medical-professional behavior you’ve given into. I dunno what’s caused this complete turnaround, when you were calling for people to follow the law and to wear masks and all, but if a handful of nurses doing TikTok videos is enough to make you hate them this much, I think your problem is with TikTok. I say this as a person who does not like TikTok, but who knows the exhausted look on my mother’s face that she has had when she has come home from work many weekends and has told me, “I hate my job, I never want to go back,” because of COVID.