Nor would the world end if we let trans people into the sport of the gender they identify as.
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by Postauthoritarian America » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:52 pm
The Republic of Fore wrote:Postauthoritarian America wrote:
In a true democracy the candidate with more votes wins office. In a true democracy politicans representing less than half of the population which creates a quarter of the national wealth don't get to name a third of the judges to the highest court in the land or enact massive tax cuts to enrich their donors. In a true democracy neither the party that resorts to violence and intimidation to attempt to overturn the result of a free, fair and fraudless election nor its leaders get a mulligan. Need I go on?
Elections. Have. Consequences. For Republicans, too. Get used to it.
Ask all the people I said it to for the last four years when they mentioned they voted for Johnson or Stein or stayed home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime since she was a woman or they didn't like her attitude or BENGHAAAAZIIIII or BUTTER EEEEEEMAIIIILS!!!!!
Elections. Have. Consequences. Nothing is truer in a true democracy.
Four years as secretary of state and 1.5 terms in the Senate doesn't make someone qualified.
by The Spook Who Sat By The Door » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:00 pm
by The Republic of Fore » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:02 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:The Republic of Fore wrote:No they're not.
Yes they are.The Republic of Fore wrote:And there's no reason to combine sports. The world won't end if boys have their thing and girls have another.
And there’s no reason not to combine sports. The world won’t end if boys and girls complete against each other in the same sports.
by Auzkhia » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:14 am
The Republic of Fore wrote:Postauthoritarian America wrote:
In a true democracy the candidate with more votes wins office. In a true democracy politicans representing less than half of the population which creates a quarter of the national wealth don't get to name a third of the judges to the highest court in the land or enact massive tax cuts to enrich their donors. In a true democracy neither the party that resorts to violence and intimidation to attempt to overturn the result of a free, fair and fraudless election nor its leaders get a mulligan. Need I go on?
Elections. Have. Consequences. For Republicans, too. Get used to it.
Ask all the people I said it to for the last four years when they mentioned they voted for Johnson or Stein or stayed home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime since she was a woman or they didn't like her attitude or BENGHAAAAZIIIII or BUTTER EEEEEEMAIIIILS!!!!!
Elections. Have. Consequences. Nothing is truer in a true democracy.
Four years as secretary of state and 1.5 terms in the Senate doesn't make someone qualified.
by Suriyanakhon » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:16 am
The Republic of Fore wrote:1. If you're born with a dick you'll never be a girl.
by Auzkhia » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:17 am
by Joohan » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:39 am
by Auzkhia » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:42 am
Joohan wrote:When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.
by Suriyanakhon » Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:51 pm
Joohan wrote:When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.
by Vassenor » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:34 pm
Joohan wrote:When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.
Results
In relation to sport-related physical activity, this review found the lack of inclusive and comfortable environments to be the primary barrier to participation for transgender people. This review also found transgender people had a mostly negative experience in competitive sports because of the restrictions the sport’s policy placed on them. The majority of transgender competitive sport policies that were reviewed were not evidence based.
Conclusion
Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised.
by New Jewlan » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:23 am
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:16 am
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by Names Are Too Hard » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:04 pm
by Des-Bal » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:59 pm
Vassenor wrote:Joohan wrote:When Men begin dominating female sports and winning their championships, I imagine the jokes will be hilarious.
Oh hey, more scaremongering that isn't actually born out by reality. Guess I need to link the study -again-.
Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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by Des-Bal » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:01 pm
Names Are Too Hard wrote:This might be a dumb idea so poke holes all you want, but what if sports were objectively skill based and not based on sex? Like when one goes professional they’re essentially evaluated on a scale and matched with people on the corresponding skill level?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Kowani » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:04 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Oh hey, more scaremongering that isn't actually born out by reality. Guess I need to link the study -again-.
Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies
Oh hey it's the bad study again, the one with the fucky methodology that concludes since transgender men are allowed to compete RV allowed to compete all decisions should be arbitrary. It's weird because the only issue people seem to care about is how transgender women stack up to cisgender women and they made no attempt to analyze that.
What happens when you actually investigate the one thing people are talking about?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764
Oh it turns out that the olympic rules are arbitrary and transgender athletes have an advantage over cisgender women.
by Vassenor » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:07 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Oh hey, more scaremongering that isn't actually born out by reality. Guess I need to link the study -again-.
Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies
Oh hey it's the bad study again, the one with the fucky methodology that concludes since transgender men are allowed to compete RV allowed to compete all decisions should be arbitrary. It's weird because the only issue people seem to care about is how transgender women stack up to cisgender women and they made no attempt to analyze that.
What happens when you actually investigate the one thing people are talking about?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764
Oh it turns out that the olympic rules are arbitrary and transgender athletes have an advantage over cisgender women.
In 2015, she published the first study of transgender women and athletic performance and found that trans women ran at least 10 percent slower after beginning hormones. And, relatively speaking, they did no better against cisgender female runners than they had previously done against cisgender men.
Harper said Roberts’ methodology is solid, but she sees some limitations in the study. In an assessment shared with NBC News, she questioned the lack of data on participants’ individual training habits. She also noted there was no coordination between when subjects started hormones and when they took their annual fitness test.
“The tests were placed into three bins,” Harper said. “One bin of tests that took place in the first year after the start of hormone therapy, one bin of tests that took place between one to two years of hormone therapy, and a third bin that took place between two and two and a half years after the initiation of hormone therapy.”
Lumping the data together could blur out changes that occurred within a 12-month period “and might distort the results notably,” she theorized.
The fact that the trans women were still faster after two years could be due to differences in training intensity, she speculated. But the pushup and situp tests involve muscular strength, technique, muscular endurance and cardiovascular endurance, and “are probably good proxies for success in many team sports.”
He also underscored the data he compiled was on adults: The average age of the airmen he studied was 26. A transgender woman who transitions before or at puberty, “doesn't really have any advantage” when it comes to athletic performance, he said. “So that young lady should be allowed to compete with all the other people who are born women.”
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Harper, who was a consultant on the IOC’s current recommendations, said the real takeaway from Roberts’ study is that transgender women ultimately do reach parity with cis women in athletic tasks. She, however, doesn’t think Roberts’ findings mean sporting organizations need to require two years of testosterone suppression before trans women can compete against cisgender women.
by Des-Bal » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:12 pm
Kowani wrote:I mean
just from a cursory overview of the study they're citing, the advantage seems to lessen (and in certain areas) disappear over time
so, we do as the study's authors suggest and lengthen the waiting time for olympic level competition after transitioning
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Munkcestrian RepubIic » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:33 pm
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