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Postby No State Here » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:44 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Nakena wrote:
QAnon will call this the countdown to the storm.

In just 23 hours, God Emperor Chakravartin Donald the Lion Jesus Trump will parachute down onto the Biden inauguration, kick Kamala "gulags galore" Harris in her wherever, smack "Sleepy" Joe Biden with his huuuuge IQ score and surprise arrest every single liberal, socialist and RINO in the world and summarily convict them for child sex trafficking and censoring conservatives on Twitter. And then it will finally be legal to say "Merry Christmas" again.

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Postby Cultural Posadism » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:48 am

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Cultural Posadism wrote:Trump is an old rich fuck who took pride in being a petty piece of shit at every opportunity, mishandled every single crisis he faced, created entirely new crises through a combination of indifference and incompetence, and stole massive amounts of wealth from working Americans for himself and his fellow rich fucks. It's high time that Trump apologists come to terms with the fact that the majority of Americans, for all their flaws, aren't just dumb sheep who'll uncritically repeat everything they see on TV. The American people had plenty of legitimate reasons to despise Trump, without any undue help from the media.


True, there are reasons to dislike Trump (age is not one of them and neither is his wealth).

Actually, his wealth is a very legitimate reason to dislike him because a lot of his wealth came from him being a massive con artist with few other redeeming qualities, if any.

Trump is rude and unprofessional and was too addicted to Twitter.

He was also authoritarian, racist, eager to pander to Christian extremists in exchange for their messianic asskissing and happy to do everything in his power to further the interests of the dominant class, no matter how much it hurt working Americans.

His murders of people in the Middle East are much more significant than his non-actions at the recent 'mostly peaceful' protests at the capitol.

Actually, both of those things are significant. In the former case, he proved to be almost a regular ass neocon (which is already awful enough), with the added cherry on top that he was specially callous about civilian casualties. In the latter, he incited what could well be considered the first actual attempted coup in American history which, as someone born and raised in a country which faced a lot of coups, is very serious business. It's kind of a point of no return in terms of the state of your political system.

Also, isn't 1 hour a day enough for Trump related news? Do we need 24 hours of news to report what happened?

If you don't like the 24hs news cycle business model, that's cool... but you're missing the forest for the trees if you think that that problem was born from Trump.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:48 am

No State Here wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:In just 23 hours, God Emperor Chakravartin Donald the Lion Jesus Trump will parachute down onto the Biden inauguration, kick Kamala "gulags galore" Harris in her wherever, smack "Sleepy" Joe Biden with his huuuuge IQ score and surprise arrest every single liberal, socialist and RINO in the world and summarily convict them for child sex trafficking and censoring conservatives on Twitter. And then it will finally be legal to say "Merry Christmas" again.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:50 am

Last time Biden speaks as President Elect coming up. Or I guess first time Trump speaks in his Biden skin if you're into weird theories...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Esalia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:51 am

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Re-education camps aren't some brand new idea only China has ever conceived of.

If the Dems were really dedicated to this idea, they would have done it or made steps to do it before even China did it, because the idea has been around for quite a while, and so has the particular ideas you're alleging might lead to this.


The have to wait until the iron is hot to strike it. They are gaining power and are smart enough to slowly erode freedoms. Pol Pot took away freedoms TOO fast and that is why after a few years, he lost power over much of the country (invading Vietnam didn't help much either). Hitler and his Nazi Party also took freedoms away slowly and only after they had total power. Xi Jinping is also clever enough to not take away all remaining freedoms at once. He is testing out his ideas in Xinjiang before spreading them across the rest of China.


Which is why it's not gonna happen, at least for the next four years.

The senate is split, and Joe Manchin counts as a Democrat.

Democrats will wait several years before sending adults to such camps. They can start indoctrinating children in school (as they are already doing) before worrying about the adults.


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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:51 am

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Obama did a lot of evil poop but he has a nice smile and he is a democrat so it is OK.

It usually helps when you back up stuff like this with examples. (That goes for claiming Trump was bad too, but inciting a riot is still lingering in everyone's mind so goes with out saying lately)


Note. These bad things don't excuse Trump from his wrong actions:

50 Things Barack Obama Has Done Wrong

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhaw ... g-n1876744

18 Major Scandals in Obama’s ‘Scandal-Free’ Presidency

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017 ... residency/

Note: These lists don't even mention staying in Afghanistan or The Patriot Act. These two actions should be in the top 5 worst things he has done (this goes for Trump as well).
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Postby Esalia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:51 am

No State Here wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:In just 23 hours, God Emperor Chakravartin Donald the Lion Jesus Trump will parachute down onto the Biden inauguration, kick Kamala "gulags galore" Harris in her wherever, smack "Sleepy" Joe Biden with his huuuuge IQ score and surprise arrest every single liberal, socialist and RINO in the world and summarily convict them for child sex trafficking and censoring conservatives on Twitter. And then it will finally be legal to say "Merry Christmas" again.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:52 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Istoreya wrote:It usually helps when you back up stuff like this with examples. (That goes for claiming Trump was bad too, but inciting a riot is still lingering in everyone's mind so goes with out saying lately)


Note. These bad things don't excuse Trump from his wrong actions:

50 Things Barack Obama Has Done Wrong

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhaw ... g-n1876744

18 Major Scandals in Obama’s ‘Scandal-Free’ Presidency

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017 ... residency/


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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:53 am

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Peak copium.


Is that like opium?
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No it actually isn't. I'm not even committed to the bit anymore. I'm just here to get into arguments online and then feel bad about making an ass of myself later.



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Postby Nakena » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:53 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:My money is on the sunk cost fallacy. People who fell down that rabbit hole have invested too much in it and have pretty much alienated themselves from the rest of society. If they can't find some way to justify all that waste of time, resources and life, they're fucked.


Theres people who genuinely believe in the QAnon stuff and that theres a last minute plan to save them and the world from impending doom. QAnon is an eschatological doomsday cult. Its not just a bunch of crazies.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:53 am

No State Here wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:In just 23 hours, God Emperor Chakravartin Donald the Lion Jesus Trump will parachute down onto the Biden inauguration, kick Kamala "gulags galore" Harris in her wherever, smack "Sleepy" Joe Biden with his huuuuge IQ score and surprise arrest every single liberal, socialist and RINO in the world and summarily convict them for child sex trafficking and censoring conservatives on Twitter. And then it will finally be legal to say "Merry Christmas" again.

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I still can't shake the feeling this is a bit that got away from them. Like, the idea had to be that no one believed this and if a liberal shared it, it was supposed to be a really ill conceived "Haha they think we're really fucking stupid..." (congratulations, I guess?) but then some old lady yells it into Jordan Keppler's microphone and they're going "Wait, who was the joke supposed to be on?"
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:55 am

Man, I know that the death of Beau had a deep and profound effect on Biden and I don't want to diminish that but do you ever think that Hunter sits in the wings going, "You know I'm still here, right?"
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Nakena » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:55 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Peak copium.


Is that like opium?


That's a random 4chan shitpost. I should remind you that QAnon started out also as 4chan shitpost and meme. There were and still are many of those. Its mostly just trash.

The QAnon ones that however, somehow escaped the containment zone of 4chan and started grow unchecked in the normiezone, an infodemic that infected countless boomers.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:57 am

Nakena wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:My money is on the sunk cost fallacy. People who fell down that rabbit hole have invested too much in it and have pretty much alienated themselves from the rest of society. If they can't find some way to justify all that waste of time, resources and life, they're fucked.


Theres people who genuinely believe in the QAnon stuff and that theres a last minute plan to save them and the world from impending doom. QAnon is an eschatological doomsday cult. Its not just a bunch of crazies.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:57 am

Nakena wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Is that like opium?


That's a random 4chan shitpost. I should remind you that QAnon started out also as 4chan shitpost and meme. There were and still are many of those. Its mostly just trash.

The QAnon ones that however, somehow escaped the containment zone of 4chan and started grow unchecked in the normiezone, an infodemic that infected countless boomers.


I know what it is.
But what about copium?
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:58 am

Omniabstracta wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Theres people who genuinely believe in the QAnon stuff and that theres a last minute plan to save them and the world from impending doom. QAnon is an eschatological doomsday cult. Its not just a bunch of crazies.

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Because it's a doomsday cult, they don't really need to rationalize it.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:59 am

No State Here wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:In just 23 hours, God Emperor Chakravartin Donald the Lion Jesus Trump will parachute down onto the Biden inauguration, kick Kamala "gulags galore" Harris in her wherever, smack "Sleepy" Joe Biden with his huuuuge IQ score and surprise arrest every single liberal, socialist and RINO in the world and summarily convict them for child sex trafficking and censoring conservatives on Twitter. And then it will finally be legal to say "Merry Christmas" again.

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Do people truly believe this?

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:00 pm

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Not a surprise when the media talks 24 hours about how evil Trump is. I doubt Truman or LBJ faced 24 hours of coverage that was focused on how evil they were and twisted their words. I hated George W. Bush but I saw that Obama got away with the same things that Bush was criticized for. The media is biased (and most news is biased in favor of democrats).

LBJ and Truman didn’t get 24 hours of hate because 24 hour news didn’t exist yet. Also LBJ got a shit ton of hate when the news was on the air. “Hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today!” Didn’t come from nowhere


True, LBJ got a lot of hate from young people but what about from journalists and comedians on TV? Trump is treated MUCH worse by journalists today than LBJ was treated overall. Imagine if Trump frequently used the N word. Because he is a republican, the media would go crazy today but LBJ got a pass because he was a democrat.

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-john ... msna305591

LBJ also got a free pass on his relations with women he was not married to. Trump was criticized for this but not so much for LBJ (while he was president):

Multiple affairs and Lyndon Johnson

https://historycollection.com/8-presidents-affairs/5/
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Postby Nakena » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:00 pm

What if I told you that theres now QAnon boomers themself going to 8chan sucessors?

Can you imagine what other memes and redpills they catch up there?

It's a bit like with covid-19. QAnon was that one memetic mutation that came through and jumped from one species to another. From the channer to the normie. For the channer this is just everyday shit. For the boomer normie this is kill. The info-virus transmitted. And it serves as bridge for more memetic superinfections from the same vector. So even more effective.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:01 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
That's a random 4chan shitpost. I should remind you that QAnon started out also as 4chan shitpost and meme. There were and still are many of those. Its mostly just trash.

The QAnon ones that however, somehow escaped the containment zone of 4chan and started grow unchecked in the normiezone, an infodemic that infected countless boomers.


I know what it is.
But what about copium?

Yes, you unlocked the mysterious and arcane etymology of the slang term, a portmanteau of cope and opium. You get a lollipop. Why did you go back to this well?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:05 pm

Well, it was just a teary farewell to Delaware.

It'd be kind of a cool fake out thing if he announced that he wouldn't be taking the train to DC because of security concerns and then just fucking hops on a train all 'psych, motherfuckers...I LOVE TRAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINS suckit.'

Paraphrased obviously.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:08 pm

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Obama did a lot of evil poop but he has a nice smile and he is a democrat so it is OK.


Obama knew how to look presentable and nice and kind.

Every time Trump opens his mouth and attacks someone or something, he hands over a metric fuckton of examples for anyone who wants to bash him.

Perhaps the media would attack Trump at a disproportionate rate even if he had the presentability of Obama, but Trump is not innocent in this matter. He has contributed to why the media constantly go after him.


I was quite shocked when Trump won the republican primary because of the way he speaks (in a non-presidential way). I said that he would only have a 5% chance of winning. Turns out that my favorite in the primary, Rand Paul, got less than 5% in Iowa. Why is Trump better than Rand Paul? It still shocks me. I guess Trump did a better job of telling 'his' people what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear.

It is hard to know what works. Mao dressed in a casual non-presidential way and people liked it. Hitler spoke harshly and people liked it. Maybe it is about showing confidence. Despite the media attacks, Trump is much more popular than people with a much better way to improve the USA (Rand Paul, Gary Johnson, Jo Jorgensen). I find it fascinating but also a bit shocking and a bit sad.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:09 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:It would be weirder if this was all a dream and we wake up in the year 2012 and find out that Ron Paul won the presidency.

I imagine myself waking up and immediately teleporting myself to a club with hookers and beer and then going on a joyride in a flying tesla while the news station reports on Elon Musk’s 5th Mars Base

Elon Musk is probably going to Mars anyways
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