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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:56 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Big Mac in USA: $4.80
Big Mac in Denmark: $5.15

McDonalds worker salary in USA: $7.25
McDonalds worker salary in Denmark: $22


Food for thought on the minimum wage issue.


Do you need to have a university degree to work at McDonald's in Denmark? That is a ridiculously high wage for a fast food worker. What does a starting highway patrolman make there? That salary is more than a highway patrolman gets paid in Florida:

Where are Florida’s Highway Patrol troopers? Lowest pay in the nation leads to manpower shortage

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 49949.html

Starting salary for a Florida rookie trooper is $33,977 — the lowest among the 49 states that have a state patrol. (Hawaii does not.)


That sounds like a reason to pay the Florida highway patrolmen better, not to pay fast food workers less.

If the minimum wage had been pegged to inflation it would be far higher than it is right now. Most other developed nations have rather high minimum wages compared to the US.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:56 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Adamede wrote:Well that’s certainly not going to help cool things down.


Relax, it was seemingly a suicide. Don't give the Trumpers a chance to run with the story and make it look like a hit.

You think these people actually care about the truth? Many of them believe that Trump is a literal messiah.

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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:57 pm

Adamede wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Relax, it was seemingly a suicide. Don't give the Trumpers a chance to run with the story and make it look like a hit.

You think these people actually care about the truth? Many of them believe that Trump is a literal messiah.


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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:57 pm

Adamede wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Relax, it was seemingly a suicide. Don't give the Trumpers a chance to run with the story and make it look like a hit.

You think these people actually care about the truth? Many of them believe that Trump is a literal messiah.

Hes not??? :o
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:58 pm

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After an investigation, the Fulton County Medical Examiner says the cause of death is believed to be a suicide.

Important to add I think..


It's customary to mourn a felo de se, for the sake of family, but I can't in this case so I'll reserve my regards ...

For some reason I assumed gun suicides always shot themselves in the head. Shorter suffering time. But maybe shooting yourself in the heart has lower survivability?
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:58 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Adamede wrote:You think these people actually care about the truth? Many of them believe that Trump is a literal messiah.

Hes not??? :o


He's a very naughty boy.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:59 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
After an investigation, the Fulton County Medical Examiner says the cause of death is believed to be a suicide.

Important to add I think..


It's customary to mourn a felo de se, for the sake of family, but I can't in this case so I'll reserve my regards ...

For some reason I assumed gun suicides always shot themselves in the head. Shorter suffering time. But maybe shooting yourself in the heart has lower survivability?

Well you know what they say about assumptions...

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:00 pm

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:03 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Something something the capitol.

Which was not predicted by the media. When the media predicts right-wing unrest it never materializes. It seems like only when they DON'T predict it, it actually happens... :p


So logically, if the media want a lawful transition of power and the pomp of Inauguration, they should be wildly speculating about North Dakota nuking the Capitol, etc, all crazy shit. To make sure it doesn't happen!
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:03 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Hes not??? :o


He's a very naughty boy.

Damn that's deep
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:04 pm



Why? Can't private citizens donate instead?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:06 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Do you need to have a university degree to work at McDonald's in Denmark? That is a ridiculously high wage for a fast food worker. What does a starting highway patrolman make there? That salary is more than a highway patrolman gets paid in Florida:

Where are Florida’s Highway Patrol troopers? Lowest pay in the nation leads to manpower shortage

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 49949.html

Starting salary for a Florida rookie trooper is $33,977 — the lowest among the 49 states that have a state patrol. (Hawaii does not.)


That sounds like a reason to pay the Florida highway patrolmen better, not to pay fast food workers less.

If the minimum wage had been pegged to inflation it would be far higher than it is right now. Most other developed nations have rather high minimum wages compared to the US.


I was thinking if the highway patrolmen in Denmark make $23.50 an hour, it might be hard to officers as they would rather work at McDonald's and have less danger and stress. It must be hard to find people willing to join the army there as well. I doubt soldiers are making $25 an hour or more in Denmark. Do rival fast food companies in Denmark pay similar wages or much less? That can't be accurate and perhaps that is actually what McDonald's managers make and not entry level workers.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:06 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
San Lumen wrote:These people are going to have a lot of difficulty getting elected again


Why? Can't private citizens donate instead?

Of course they can and there was nothing stopping them before.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:07 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Which was not predicted by the media. When the media predicts right-wing unrest it never materializes. It seems like only when they DON'T predict it, it actually happens... :p


So logically, if the media want a lawful transition of power and the pomp of Inauguration, they should be wildly speculating about North Dakota nuking the Capitol, etc, all crazy shit. To make sure it doesn't happen!

yes! North Dakota has ICBMs anyways
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:07 pm

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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:08 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
That sounds like a reason to pay the Florida highway patrolmen better, not to pay fast food workers less.

If the minimum wage had been pegged to inflation it would be far higher than it is right now. Most other developed nations have rather high minimum wages compared to the US.


I was thinking if the highway patrolmen in Denmark make $23.50 an hour, it might be hard to officers as they would rather work at McDonald's and have less danger and stress. It must be hard to find people willing to join the army there as well. I doubt soldiers are making $25 an hour or more in Denmark. Do rival fast food companies in Denmark pay similar wages or much less? That can't be accurate and perhaps that is actually what McDonald's managers make and not entry level workers.


I don't think there's much road rage in the second happiest nation in the world. Sorry this all goes against your Libertarian beliefs but it's perfectly possible to have nice things if you aren't all shouting at each other.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:08 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
So logically, if the media want a lawful transition of power and the pomp of Inauguration, they should be wildly speculating about North Dakota nuking the Capitol, etc, all crazy shit. To make sure it doesn't happen!

yes! North Dakota has ICBMs anyways

They don’t have control of the ICBM’s.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:09 pm

Adamede wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
It's customary to mourn a felo de se, for the sake of family, but I can't in this case so I'll reserve my regards ...

For some reason I assumed gun suicides always shot themselves in the head. Shorter suffering time. But maybe shooting yourself in the heart has lower survivability?

Well you know what they say about assumptions...


I thought it was a reasonable assumption, because it's what I'd do. Heart attacks are apparently painful, and even the worst of them still takes a minute or two before you pass out. Why would someone choose that with a bullet?

I'm actually not THAT fascinated. I'm not going to research it. People sometimes choose a shot to the heart instead of the head, and I never imagined that.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:09 pm

Adamede wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:yes! North Dakota has ICBMs anyways

They don’t have control of the ICBM’s.

Thats what north dakota wants you to think. Big Dakota Is Watching You.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:10 pm

Adamede wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:yes! North Dakota has ICBMs anyways

They don’t have control of the ICBM’s.


Yeah you think that, until the Sheriff of Fargo calls in a tactical strike on Pierre
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:11 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Adamede wrote:They don’t have control of the ICBM’s.


Yeah you think that, until the Sheriff of Fargo calls in a tactical strike on Pierre

There ain't enough room for the 50 of us, pardner.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:11 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Adamede wrote:Well you know what they say about assumptions...


I thought it was a reasonable assumption, because it's what I'd do. Heart attacks are apparently painful, and even the worst of them still takes a minute or two before you pass out. Why would someone choose that with a bullet?

I'm actually not THAT fascinated. I'm not going to research it. People sometimes choose a shot to the heart instead of the head, and I never imagined that.


In a long podcast about South London police corruption this very point was made, whereby a policeman who committed suicide was found shot in the chest, and it was noted this was very rare hence suspicion it was murder given he was privy to information about said corruption. So it's not a baseless thought, and I'm sure it will be absolutely seized upon by conspiracy theorists who will say he was murdered by the DNC or some such.
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