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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:01 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:because thats better than nothing...

Nope. Reincration or absolute nothing are much more reasonable and comforting.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:02 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Austin Setzer wrote:because thats better than nothing...

Nope. Reincration or absolute nothing are much more reasonable and comforting.

I myself prefer reincarnation.

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Postby Khazmatistan » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:02 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:because thats better than nothing...

I don't think so.

I don't want to live eternally in a place constantly praising a god who has caused, directly and indirectly, the death of many millions, and much pain and suffering.

Also, god is a dick.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:02 pm

Khazmatistan wrote:
Austin Setzer wrote:because thats better than nothing...

I don't think so.

I don't want to live eternally in a place constantly praising a god who has caused, directly and indirectly, the death of many millions, and much pain and suffering.

Also, god is a dick.

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Postby UCDF » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:02 pm

Laerod wrote:
UCDF wrote:OF COURSE YOU CAN'T GO TO HEAVEN IF YOUR ATIEST. YOU PEOPLE INSIST IT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST. :palm:

Prove it.

:palm: WOW. JUST WOW.
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Bears Armed wrote:Flying battleships crapping on whatever's underneath?!? Aren't pigeons and seagulls enough already?
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obviously not, with these newfangled battleships you shall be railgunned if you complain about the crapping.
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Postby United Gackle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:02 pm

Saurisia wrote:Nah, according to the Bible, those who don't accept Jesus as their Savior wind up in the other spot... which is not a place someone would be willing to spend an eternity in! :lol:

I say Jesus is a fraud and a fake and if heaven and hell is real at least i be warm xD who wants to go to heaven and freeze their asses off? Lol
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:03 pm

UCDF wrote:
Laerod wrote:Prove it.

:palm: WOW. JUST WOW.

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Anyway, are you saying an atheist who, after living a life of nothing but good, and dies saving a life would go to hell simply because they're an atheist?

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:03 pm

UCDF wrote:
Laerod wrote:Prove it.

:palm: WOW. JUST WOW.

Prove Heaven doesn't exist.

But the OP is asking something entirely different. Can you still go if you don't believe?
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Postby Austin Setzer » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:04 pm

I am a full christian who has actually READ the bible (unlike most of them XD) and if u read John 3:16 it nearly explains it all....
and btw i am not against atheist... my best friend is athiest.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:05 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:I am a full christian who has actually READ the bible (unlike most of them XD) and if u read John 3:16 it nearly explains it all....
and btw i am not against atheist... my best friend is athiest.
Life is a test. And those who fail it go to hell
the only way to success is to believe Jesus christ. accept him into your heart and thou shall not burn

Nah, I quite like hot weather. Hell can't get much worse than India without air conditioning.
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Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
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# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Postby Laerod » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:05 pm

UCDF wrote:
Laerod wrote:Prove it.

:palm: WOW. JUST WOW.

I'm kidding. I know you can't prove that atheists aren't let into heaven. No one here knows the criteria for heaven (assuming it exists) because no one here has been there.

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Postby Khazmatistan » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:05 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
UCDF wrote: :palm: WOW. JUST WOW.

CAPS LOCK IS AWESOME!
Anyway, are you saying an atheist who, after living a life of nothing but good, and dies saving a life would go to hell simply because they're an atheist?

According to the Bible, yes. Deal with it.

Those born-agains can argue all they like, but it's not written in there. Yes, it's unfair, but that's why I'm not religious.
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Postby United Gackle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:06 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
UCDF wrote: :palm: WOW. JUST WOW.

Prove Heaven doesn't exist.

But the OP is asking something entirely different. Can you still go if you don't believe?

Let him be and hope he goes back under his bridge.
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Postby UCDF » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:06 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
UCDF wrote: :palm: WOW. JUST WOW.

CAPS LOCK IS AWESOME!
Anyway, are you saying an atheist who, after living a life of nothing but good, and dies saving a life would go to hell simply because they're an atheist?

No, I just said they wouldn't go the heaven.
Too cool for you.
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Mike the Progressive wrote:But you can't be serious, OP.

He is serious. And don't call him Shirley.
Adauchi wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Flying battleships crapping on whatever's underneath?!? Aren't pigeons and seagulls enough already?
:blink:

obviously not, with these newfangled battleships you shall be railgunned if you complain about the crapping.
:shock:
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Postby Osthia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:06 pm

According to the Bible, yes. However, I think that God, being God, would not disown Man merely for not believing in Him and His Son, Jesus Christ. God takes into account all good deeds, and I think that people like Gandhi do go to Heaven, despite their not being Christian.

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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:06 pm

I can't answer this question. Neither can any living human being (and the dead ain't talking). Only the gods know. If the JCI God doesn't let atheists into his heaven then someone else will. At least, I assume this.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:07 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:I am a full christian who has actually READ the bible (unlike most of them XD) and if u read John 3:16 it nearly explains it all....
and btw i am not against atheist... my best friend is athiest.
Life is a test. And those who fail it go to hell
the only way to success is to believe Jesus christ. accept him into your heart and thou shall not burn

Well, theres the reason Christainity is a failure of a religion...
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Ceannairceach wrote:CAPS LOCK IS AWESOME!
Anyway, are you saying an atheist who, after living a life of nothing but good, and dies saving a life would go to hell simply because they're an atheist?

According to the Bible, yes. Deal with it.

Those born-agains can argue all they like, but it's not written in there. Yes, it's unfair, but that's why I'm not religious.

My last denomination didn't believe that.

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Postby Austin Setzer » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:07 pm

since hell is the OPPOSITE of what you want wouldnt the devil turn it to a frozen tundra?
btw you probably wont see god if u dont wanna see him cuz heavon is paradise (like hawaii in summer time and you never get sunburn)
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Postby Xarithis » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:08 pm

I don't think so.

I have considered a very similar question recently - "What about the Ignorant? Those who have never heard of the Abrahamic Religions? What happens to these individuals?" Such as the Native Americans or Australians before contact with the Europeans?

I'll have to look through the Bible again. And through the Qur'an for the first time.

I like how in Shinto, you become an Ancestor Kami no matter what - Reject all you like, you're still becoming one. They should all be like that.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:08 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:since hell is the OPPOSITE of what you want wouldnt the devil turn it to a frozen tundra?
btw you probably wont see god if u dont wanna see him cuz heavon is paradise (like hawaii in summer time and you never get sunburn)

I hate your spelling and grammar.

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Postby Laerod » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:09 pm

Khazmatistan wrote:According to the Bible, yes. Deal with it.

Except that if we assume it's God's word, we can't take it for granted. God has misled people before.

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Postby Austin Setzer » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:09 pm

that is ignorance...a thing that leads to suffering...
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Postby Khazmatistan » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:10 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:My last denomination didn't believe that.

Yes, but it's explicitly written in the Bible that non-Christians cannot enter heaven.
I understand that various denominations ignore various parts of the Bible, and that's silly. Yes, the Bible was written under specific circumstances in an era where things were very different than they are now, but who is anyone to decide what's accurate today and what isn't?
Just because you disagree with something because it's not fair doesn't mean it won't happen. The Bible says that anyone who does not accept Jesus as the Son of God cannot enter heaven. End of discussion.
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Postby Austin Setzer » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:10 pm

and people have misled god before....(goes to genesis when eve says ok i wont eat from that tree)
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:11 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:that is ignorance...a thing that leads to suffering...

First, have you been introduced to Grammar, Punctuation, and Capitalization before? They are your friends. Second, what is ignorant?
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