by The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:06 am
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:13 am
by Nilokeras » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:22 am
by The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:25 am
San Lumen wrote:People chose to live in cities on their own volition.
Few of what you wrote has any basis in reality. You also did not address what you propose be done remedy it.
What is the system you alleged that should be abolished to harm cities?
by The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:27 am
Nilokeras wrote:What a beautifully sheltered view of rural life. Go Google 'rural poverty in America' and report back on what you see, oh middle class suburban OP.
by Nilokeras » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:33 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Nilokeras wrote:What a beautifully sheltered view of rural life. Go Google 'rural poverty in America' and report back on what you see, oh middle class suburban OP.
Or I could just look at the people living in a shack near my mom's place. Poverty exists in rural areas yes. It's not quite as predatory as poverty in cities and has vastly different causes.
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:34 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:People chose to live in cities on their own volition.
Few of what you wrote has any basis in reality. You also did not address what you propose be done remedy it.
What is the system you alleged that should be abolished to harm cities?
Severely curttail the authority of overall city governments on general city life, decentralize utilities and separate the city out into discrete self contained chunks of area.
I've occasionally considered the idea of using anti-trust laws to crack down on landlords in cities in order to discourage renting and encourage owning, because while renting is generally a valuable service in some scenarios, it's particularly predatory in cities. But I'm not quite comfortable with it, because it would be a step on the road of giving city governments authority again.
by Marsane » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:42 am
by The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:44 am
San Lumen wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Severely curttail the authority of overall city governments on general city life, decentralize utilities and separate the city out into discrete self contained chunks of area.
I've occasionally considered the idea of using anti-trust laws to crack down on landlords in cities in order to discourage renting and encourage owning, because while renting is generally a valuable service in some scenarios, it's particularly predatory in cities. But I'm not quite comfortable with it, because it would be a step on the road of giving city governments authority again.
The government has no authority to limit the power of municipal governments nor limit break them up into smaller entities,
I doubt you can use anti trust laws like that. If people want to rent that is their choice.
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:46 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:The government has no authority to limit the power of municipal governments nor limit break them up into smaller entities,
I doubt you can use anti trust laws like that. If people want to rent that is their choice.
The people have whatever power they feel like exercising.
by The Marlborough » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:06 pm
San Lumen wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
The people have whatever power they feel like exercising.
The government doesnt have the authority to break up a municipality or limit their government but the people can via a referendum. How you get a referendum on the ballot varies by locale. On what basis does a government have such a power?
by Page » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:32 pm
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:33 pm
The Marlborough wrote:San Lumen wrote:The government doesnt have the authority to break up a municipality or limit their government but the people can via a referendum. How you get a referendum on the ballot varies by locale. On what basis does a government have such a power?
Actually if a state government wanted to they could revoke a municipalities status as a, well, municipality. California almost did that with the city of Verona a number of years ago. Threatened they were going to force it to be part of LA iirc.
Re OP not all cities are the same. Some cities have a lot of home ownership for example or people are able to buy their flats. There are plenty of issues with cities, don't get me wrong, but axing them completely is just...yeah. Not going to work.
by Major-Tom » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:51 pm
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:00 pm
Adamede wrote:I would never live in a city willingly but rural life ain’t exactly without its own problems.
by Shazbotdom » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:06 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:People chose to live in cities on their own volition.
Few of what you wrote has any basis in reality. You also did not address what you propose be done remedy it.
What is the system you alleged that should be abolished to harm cities?
Severely curttail the authority of overall city governments on general city life, decentralize utilities and separate the city out into discrete self contained chunks of area.
I've occasionally considered the idea of using anti-trust laws to crack down on landlords in cities in order to discourage renting and encourage owning, because while renting is generally a valuable service in some scenarios, it's particularly predatory in cities. But I'm not quite comfortable with it, because it would be a step on the road of giving city governments authority again.
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by Nation of Ecologists » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:10 pm
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:12 pm
Nation of Ecologists wrote:here's what the problem is: If everyone moved from living in cities to rural places those places would no longer be rural. Seriously. Unless you want some major land reform its not happening. Instead, we should focus on making cities livable places instead of getting rid of them. It'll be easier to protect the environment that way too, since nature will be able to reclaim those ghost cities. Cities aren't the problem, the way cities are handled is.
by United Dependencies » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:28 pm
San Lumen wrote:The government doesnt have the authority to break up a municipality or limit their government but the people can via a referendum. How you get a referendum on the ballot varies by locale. On what basis does a government have such a power?
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:31 pm
United Dependencies wrote:San Lumen wrote:The government doesnt have the authority to break up a municipality or limit their government but the people can via a referendum. How you get a referendum on the ballot varies by locale. On what basis does a government have such a power?
That might be the case where you live, but in my state, cities are recognized as creatures created by the state. As a result, states are free to add to or remove from their powers at will.
Hence the whole HB2 debacle.
by United Dependencies » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:34 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:35 pm
United Dependencies wrote:
The State of North Carolina passed a law that required people to use bathrooms consistent with their birth certificates. This overrode a city ordinance which allowed people to use the bathrooms of their choice.
Not the first time the state government has messed with local governance. the NC General assembly has also stripped away control of airports from local municipalities.
by United Dependencies » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:38 pm
San Lumen wrote:United Dependencies wrote:The State of North Carolina passed a law that required people to use bathrooms consistent with their birth certificates. This overrode a city ordinance which allowed people to use the bathrooms of their choice.
Not the first time the state government has messed with local governance. the NC General assembly has also stripped away control of airports from local municipalities.
That’s not the same as abolishing a municipal government.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by Krasny-Volny » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:39 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:The close confines of the city, combined with the complex infrastructure needed to keep city life going inherently limits what you can do.
This is not only a problem for the obvious loss in quality of life, but also because over time it denigrates the value of freedom. Simply growing up in a city teaches you all the wrong lessons about life, through no fault of your own. When you grow up all your life in an area where you're not free to build a fort in the back yard. Or not free to make a major renovation on your home. Not free to play with toy weapons for fear of misunderstandings and accidents. Not free to have a basic social meet like a bonfire.
Instead you get channeled towards public facilities. Bars, parks, clubs. Instead of being able to get together with friends for free and cook some food over an open fire, you end up either all crammed into someones apartment. Or meeting at some either commercial or public place designed to have fun and you're once again now in public. Not able to just be with your friends and your friends alone.
2.) Cities either make you incredibly poor, or incredibly rich. And if the former you get trapped. You end up almost literally chained to your job trying to keep above water because living in the city is expensive, why? Because demand is high, and other residents are rich. Particularly if you have a family you end up in a situation where staying amounts to slavery, and leaving is too expensive. Cities are more or less going to end up catering only to the super rich who inhabit them and dominate the lives of all others. So in a sense, living in a city is a bargain with those super rich. Either you do it carefully and make out with your wealth and move back to safer pastures, or you end up trapped and stuck in a never ending cycle of wage slavery.
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