I’d argue that a tribe is type of state, just a very primitive one.
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by Cordel One » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:42 pm
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:49 pm
Adamede wrote:Anarchism in general doesn’t make sense.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:51 pm
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:53 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:They admitted to not being traditional anarchists, because traditional anarchists are just statists with democracy, so them having companies is technically still anarchism as long as there's no government. It's an evil system, but it makes some sense, at least until the workers and customers start working and buying from the same corporation. Then you can say it's a state.
by Anatoliyanskiy » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:55 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:57 pm
Cordel One wrote:Ancapitalism is an oxymoron, hierarchies are fundamentally the opposite of what anarchy is.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:58 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:The closest thing I know of to an Anarcho Capitalist country was the Icelandic Commonwealth. And that still had an official government.
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:05 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:The closest thing I know of to an Anarcho Capitalist country was the Icelandic Commonwealth. And that still had an official government.
According to Cubra and Conservative Republic of Huang, anarchists can have a government, army, and police, as long as it's democratic, radical, and has federal structures.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:32 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:The closest thing I know of to an Anarcho Capitalist country was the Icelandic Commonwealth. And that still had an official government.
According to Cubra and Conservative Republic of Huang, anarchists can have a government, army, and police, as long as it's democratic, radical, and has federal structures.
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by The Three Palins » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:36 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The Three Palins wrote:
And again, you're assuming there isn't any government within the tribe.
Probably the old people. Perhaps in time of conflict the fighting age men. The witchdoctor is probably protected from executive power, but is always influential. Protected? Top executive is a dangerous position to be in, the witchdoctor knows lots of stuff vital for tribe survival. Keep him alive to have his advice another day. He likely protects himself with "spells" and such so everyone is afraid to kill him anyway. Witchdoctor, another name for priest.
That's a government, it just doesn't have the trapping you are expecting.
So are you actually trying to argue that individuals cannot actually trade with one another without a government?
by The Three Palins » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:41 pm
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:According to Cubra and Conservative Republic of Huang, anarchists can have a government, army, and police, as long as it's democratic, radical, and has federal structures.
Which is precisely why their communes always get crushed so easily
by The Emerald Legion » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:54 pm
by Neuer Deutsches Reich » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:57 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:59 pm
Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:Anything with anarchism is stupid
by Atheris » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:59 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:The closest thing I know of to an Anarcho Capitalist country was the Icelandic Commonwealth. And that still had an official government.
According to Cubra and Conservative Republic of Huang, anarchists can have a government, army, and police, as long as it's democratic, radical, and has federal structures.
Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:Anything with anarchism is stupid
by Disgraces » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:59 pm
by Cordel One » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:36 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:56 pm
Atheris wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:According to Cubra and Conservative Republic of Huang, anarchists can have a government, army, and police, as long as it's democratic, radical, and has federal structures.
So... the United States until, say... 1890, was anarchist. Cool! (this is a joke strawman btw)
Also, isn't that self-defeating? A state consists of a government, army, and especially police (or some other kind of enforcement). How can something be anarchist if it enforces its government via police, which is the definition of a state?Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:Anything with anarchism is stupid
Based.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:57 pm
by Calofas » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:46 pm
by Nakena » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:48 pm
Calofas wrote:The closest example we have to an "Anarcho-Capitalist" society from history are the Nazis.
by Atheris » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:52 pm
Calofas wrote:Hey folks,
There have been a few posts that have covered Ancaps pretty well, but I would like to give my two cents. "Anarcho-Capitalism", is a contradiction in terms. An oxymoron. Illogical and Nonsensical... Rubbish.]Anarchism is inherently anti-capitalist. It opposes the exploitation of any person by another. Anarchy means without rulers, and therefore the hierarchical structured and exploitative nature of capitalism is not compatible in any way shape or form with Anarchism.
Typically in an Anarchist society (Mutualism, Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism & Collective Anarchism) businesses would operate as workers co-operatives through the use of direct democracy and workers self management. This is the opposite to capitalism where a small number of people control a private enterprise, imposing their will on a larger number of workers.
If we were to imagine what an "Ancap" society looks like, the state would be replaced with large monopolistic conglomerates and we would all be working in sweatshops until we expired from exhaustion earning 10 cents an hour... if we were allowed to earn anything at all. There would likely be a privately funded secret police, which would be needed to keep the surplus labour population (the unemployed) in check. It would be a highly stratified society as well as overtly racist and sexist.
The closest example we have to an "Anarcho-Capitalist" society from history are the Nazis.
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