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by Plzen » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:24 pm
by Xeng He » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:03 am
Blazedtown wrote:[an ism is] A term used by people who won't admit their true beliefs, or don't have any.
by Adamede » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:05 am
Xeng He wrote:I think there should be a world policeman, but I don't know if the US is doing the best job.
Ideally the UN would increase in power and handle all human rights abuses but that's in the far future.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:12 am
A m e n r i a wrote:Actually, for most of us, it's the other way around. USA is the world's bully. They go around exporting their shitty culture and try to erode traditional values, and they invade and/or destabilise countries for resources and to shove their retarded ideology on us.
So on the part that it's a bad thing, yes. It's a horrible thing. If course, I'd rather choose the greatest country in the world over them. China will save us from the menace that is America.
A m e n r i a wrote:Senkaku wrote:well, we need someone, but letting individual states do it seems like a flawed approach for a whole lot of reasons... but I can't see the morass of international dysfunction that is the UN stepping up and becoming a viable option any time soon either, or anyone letting it even if it could(Image)
Global caliphate time.
Elsa De Arendelle wrote:The USA is the final safe haven for all non-Catholic/non-Orthodox Christians.
Plzen wrote:The only legitimacy I accept in government is the support of the governed. The United Nations, or some other global equivalent, must hold the final say on international affairs.
That being said, given that the possibility of this happening in the near future seems rather remote, I agree that the US holding the title of world police isn't terrible - an acceptable second-best solution in the absence of a good one - but I also have serious doubts that China or the European Union as world police would be as awful as some proponents of American hegemony make them out to be. I'm confident that the Chinese will leave our constitutional democracy alone as long as we never use it to oppose Chinese interests - just like the Americans do today, in other words.
The other options listed - Russia, India, Brazil - I don’t consider plausible near-future alternatives. My feelings on a multipolar, Cold War era scenario is... mixed and after some recent revelations I don’t feel confident enough about that topic to talk about it.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:30 am
by Picairn » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:38 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I mean China murdered it's own citizens in cold blood in Tiananmen in November of 1989 for peaceful protest. If they're willing to do that to their own people, even when those people are being non-threatening, what will they do to foreign dissenters?
by Adamede » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:57 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:America definitely acts like the world policeman. I think the incidents that caused the protests of this summer prove America acts quite alot like how the actual police often do, which is probably why so many people don't like America anymore.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:14 am
Adamede wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:America definitely acts like the world policeman. I think the incidents that caused the protests of this summer prove America acts quite alot like how the actual police often do, which is probably why so many people don't like America anymore.
I think you over estimate how popular America ever was as a geopolitical force.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:26 am
Picairn wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I mean China murdered it's own citizens in cold blood in Tiananmen in November of 1989 for peaceful protest. If they're willing to do that to their own people, even when those people are being non-threatening, what will they do to foreign dissenters?
China literally passed a law saying that all foreigners who have spoken in support of Hong Kong and criticized China will be immediately arrested upon setting foot on China's soil. It applies to all 7 billion people of this planet.
Per this law, I, you, and all other NSGers who support Hong Kong are now officially criminals.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:32 am
A m e n r i a wrote:China will save us from the menace that is America.
by Picairn » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:34 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:...I don't know about you but I'm going to wear this as a badge of honor lmao.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:42 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:America definitely acts like the world policeman. I think the incidents that caused the protests of this summer prove America acts quite alot like how the actual police often do, which is probably why so many people don't like America anymore.
by Nakena » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:55 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:...I don't know about you but I'm going to wear this as a badge of honor lmao.
Nakena wrote:The PRC under Xi (emphasis under Xi) is an threat to every freedom loving human being on this entire planet. That includes pretty much everyone who does not wish to live under their rule, their sphere or least their shadow. Now some people may say "but the US is worse"... sure theres always powers that be, but it makes an difference if for those offer possibilities of freedom and evolution or are closed totalitarian systems that tolerate nothing outside of themself.
by Picairn » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:58 am
Nakena wrote:Seems I was more on spot than I thought:Nakena wrote:The PRC under Xi (emphasis under Xi) is an threat to every freedom loving human being on this entire planet. That includes pretty much everyone who does not wish to live under their rule, their sphere or least their shadow. Now some people may say "but the US is worse"... sure theres always powers that be, but it makes an difference if for those offer possibilities of freedom and evolution or are closed totalitarian systems that tolerate nothing outside of themself.
by Punished UMN » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:28 am
by The Marlborough » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:16 am
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:35 pm
by The Marlborough » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:28 pm
by New haven america » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:40 pm
A m e n r i a wrote:Actually, for most of us, it's the other way around. USA is the world's bully. They go around exporting their shitty culture and try to erode traditional values, and they invade and/or destabilise countries for resources and to shove their retarded ideology on us.
So on the part that it's a bad thing, yes. It's a horrible thing. If course, I'd rather choose the greatest country in the world over them. China will save us from the menace that is America.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:19 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:23 am
Elsa De Arendelle wrote:The USA is the final safe haven for all non-Catholic/non-Orthodox Christians.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:29 am
Nakena wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:...I don't know about you but I'm going to wear this as a badge of honor lmao.
Seems I was more on spot than I thought:Nakena wrote:The PRC under Xi (emphasis under Xi) is an threat to every freedom loving human being on this entire planet. That includes pretty much everyone who does not wish to live under their rule, their sphere or least their shadow. Now some people may say "but the US is worse"... sure theres always powers that be, but it makes an difference if for those offer possibilities of freedom and evolution or are closed totalitarian systems that tolerate nothing outside of themself.
by Picairn » Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:27 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Everyone who doesn't want to live in China's sphere, won't go there. So they won't get arrested for speaking up in support of HK.
In other words, China poses no threat just by that law, to "every freedom loving human being on this entire planet".
You do talk a lot of nonsense sometimes.
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