by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:18 pm
by Honeydewistania » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:20 pm
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:20 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:Ha ha, very funny
by Tinhampton » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:42 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:43 pm
by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:44 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. Nations do not stop being enemies merely because they are members in the World Assembly. We will not give up strategic tools for the purpose of 'friendship' and 'community'."
by Separatist Peoples » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:48 pm
by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:49 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Umeria wrote:"Where in the proposal does it mandate you stop being enemies with them?"
"I didn't say that, ambassador. I said we will not give up strategic tools, with the obvious context being for use against those enemies. You are very aware of the point I am making, and it is not an obscure one. This bad faith approach does you no favors."
by MineLegotia and Equestria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:51 pm
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by Separatist Peoples » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:53 pm
Umeria wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"I didn't say that, ambassador. I said we will not give up strategic tools, with the obvious context being for use against those enemies. You are very aware of the point I am making, and it is not an obscure one. This bad faith approach does you no favors."
"Your enemies will be giving up the tools as well, so there is no strategic loss."
by Refuge Isle » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:53 pm
by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:01 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Umeria wrote:"Your enemies will be giving up the tools as well, so there is no strategic loss."
"Untrue. Our enemies give up war, true. That does not deprive them of other tools. If our military options are stronger than our economic or diplomatic options to effect change, the military options are necessarily the best option for our self interest. If a foreign nation is engaged in intolerable nonmilitary activity, a military response may be our only tool. No, ambassador. Would that the world were all sugar plums and gumdrops, but it is not."
Refuge Isle wrote:"It would be beneficial to not encourage World Assembly members to resign from the organisation for the purposes of having a war, but the be bound by the multitude of resolutions which dictate minimum standards for their conduct within one."
by MineLegotia and Equestria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:03 pm
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by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:05 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:16 pm
Umeria wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Untrue. Our enemies give up war, true. That does not deprive them of other tools. If our military options are stronger than our economic or diplomatic options to effect change, the military options are necessarily the best option for our self interest. If a foreign nation is engaged in intolerable nonmilitary activity, a military response may be our only tool. No, ambassador. Would that the world were all sugar plums and gumdrops, but it is not."
"Your military capabilities, unlike all other political tools, have no correlation with the morality of your position. If the other side has stronger 'diplomatic options to effect change', that usually means they have a more persuasive case. If you believe that your side is in the right, sway the international community in your favor instead of playing games with other people's lives."
"I am aware that a number of member nations are ardent warhawks, but I have decided against capitulating to their whims."
by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:25 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Why on earth would any nation feel the need to give up a tool in their own self interest? If a foreign entity makes a more persuasive case, that means other nations have something to gain from it. That does very little for the victim of foreign antagonism."
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Since this is not legal, I suppose you may struggle on."
by MineLegotia and Equestria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:31 pm
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by Separatist Peoples » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:32 pm
Umeria wrote:"You are assuming that all nations are cold, ruthless entities that will do anything to advance themselves at the expense of others.
If that were the case, international humanitarian aid, among other things, would not exist.
I do understand your point that a bloc of member nations might want to 'gang up' on another nation in the international stage. However, the exact same thing happens in armed conflicts, arguably to a greater extent."
OOC: Did you mean "not legal" in the sense that the proposal violates a GA rule? If so, which one?
by Honeydewistania » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:37 pm
MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:Umeria wrote:Please read the following:
"There are still no punishments, meaning, we can still go on going to war. IF someone could explain how punishments are distributed, I would be more inclined to support this. Until then, we would continue to treat this proposal as something that merely barks with no bite to back it up."
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by MineLegotia and Equestria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:41 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:
"There are still no punishments, meaning, we can still go on going to war. IF someone could explain how punishments are distributed, I would be more inclined to support this. Until then, we would continue to treat this proposal as something that merely barks with no bite to back it up."
"The Administrative Compliance Act already Lay’s our punishment for noncompliance."
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by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:42 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Most are. There are, of course, always odd ducks."
Separatist Peoples wrote:"International humanitarian aid can absolutely be calculating and self-serving. International humanitarian aid provided to a population reduces that population's dependence on the local government apparatus, which can soften resistance to further intervention, military or diplomatic, at the expense of the local government's control."
Separatist Peoples wrote:"And by removing a tool to address this, you increasingly limit the dominated in favor of the dominator. All at the cost of World Assembly protections over innocent lives."
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I mean it violates a GA rule.
by Separatist Peoples » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:00 pm
"Agreed, there are different kinds of aid. Humanitarian assistance that strengthens the local infrastructure is present as well, however.
"What if the dominator is the one with a stronger military, as is the case nearly every time?"
by New Swaraelia » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:15 pm
by Umeria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:20 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"You believe that to your disadvantage."
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Yes, to forestall greater economic impact and prevent inroads from foreign influence. The tool can work both ways. In neither is it done out of pure charity. Merely the guise of charity."
Separatist Peoples wrote:"I see little evidence that they would be."
Separatist Peoples wrote:"In any case, incentivizing membership would hardly be of benefit."
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