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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:21 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:22 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Show me where Hezbollah and Hamas commit mass rape, where they have a policy of killing Christians, where they advocate for the slavery of women, where they are armed by the Gulf nations/Turkey and other associated entities, where they kill other Muslims for not conforming to a very strict, puritan, degenerate strain of Salafism?
Terrorists are terrorists. Some are worse than others, but at the end of the day they're all the same kind of scum: murderous butchers and gutless cowards. It's not a competition.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Mannixa Prime » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:24 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:25 pm
Mannixa Prime wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
According to a dictionary, they are.
According to reality and common sense they are not.
The American government is then biggest sponsor of terror along with Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Iran, Syria, and Palestinian are victims responsidng to unwarranted aggression.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Mannixa Prime » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:28 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Mannixa Prime wrote:According to reality and common sense they are not.
The American government is then biggest sponsor of terror along with Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Iran, Syria, and Palestinian are victims responsidng to unwarranted aggression.
The only valid targets of any paramilitary or military group should be the armed forces, security agencies, or high political figures. Not ordinary civilians. Using this litmus test, does Hezbollah and Hamas maintain their attacks to these targets?
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:30 pm
Mannixa Prime wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:The only valid targets of any paramilitary or military group should be the armed forces, security agencies, or high political figures. Not ordinary civilians. Using this litmus test, does Hezbollah and Hamas maintain their attacks to these targets?
I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.
They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.
Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Insaanistan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:35 pm
by Mannixa Prime » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:37 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Mannixa Prime wrote:I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.
They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.
Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.
"They have no choice not to"
Cringe take. If Hezbollah and Hamas only attacked IDF soldiers, police officers, and high-ranking political officials, then that would be one thing and you could defend them completely, but they also attack civvies, which isn't a moral or ethical thing to do.
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:39 pm
Mannixa Prime wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:"They have no choice not to"
Cringe take. If Hezbollah and Hamas only attacked IDF soldiers, police officers, and high-ranking political officials, then that would be one thing and you could defend them completely, but they also attack civvies, which isn't a moral or ethical thing to do.
The only cringe take I see is thinking war is moral or ethical.
I’m not joking or being an edgelord when I say Israel is a terrorist state.
America has bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians at the behest of Israel and you expect organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas to be ethical?
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Mannixa Prime » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:43 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Mannixa Prime wrote:The only cringe take I see is thinking war is moral or ethical.
I’m not joking or being an edgelord when I say Israel is a terrorist state.
America has bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians at the behest of Israel and you expect organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas to be ethical?
I agree Israel and America can be considered terrorist states. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If American soldiers rape Muslim women is it okay for Hezbollah militants to rape Israeli women? Of course not.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:44 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Terrorists are terrorists. Some are worse than others, but at the end of the day they're all the same kind of scum: murderous butchers and gutless cowards. It's not a competition.
But the comparison is still not valid. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist group. Whereas ISIS is universally condemned, groups like Hezbollah and Hamas are not. What about the IRA? Many consider them to be freedom fighters too, even though they've been designated as terrorists by numerous bodies. This is getting into a discussion of objective morality I think.
Mannixa Prime wrote:According to reality and common sense they are not.
The American government is then biggest sponsor of terror along with Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Iran, Syria, and Palestinian are victims responsidng to unwarranted aggression.
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:47 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.”At exactly 11:50pm … the Zionist enemy launched an air raid from the direction of the occupied Golan Heights towards southern Damascus,” resulting in “material losses”, the source was quoted as saying.
At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said, adding the attacks targeted an arms depot and a position held by Iranian forces and their Lebanese ally Hezbollah. The nationalities of the dead were not immediately known.
Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:48 pm
Mannixa Prime wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:I agree Israel and America can be considered terrorist states. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If American soldiers rape Muslim women is it okay for Hezbollah militants to rape Israeli women? Of course not.
I agree especially with that example that two wrongs don’t make a right.
What I’m trying to say is that I personally don’t think Hezbollah and Hamas are hyper focused on attacking civilians to sow terror, which I believe Israel and their allies do all the time.
Again I’m not saying Iran and Syria are cuddly bunnies, but they sure as hell are justified to respond to any acts of violence when they themselves did nothing to warrant such crimes.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Mannixa Prime » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:51 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Mannixa Prime wrote:I agree especially with that example that two wrongs don’t make a right.
What I’m trying to say is that I personally don’t think Hezbollah and Hamas are hyper focused on attacking civilians to sow terror, which I believe Israel and their allies do all the time.
Again I’m not saying Iran and Syria are cuddly bunnies, but they sure as hell are justified to respond to any acts of violence when they themselves did nothing to warrant such crimes.
But attacking civilians period is bad. Agree or disagree?
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:53 pm
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Alien Overlord » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:04 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Mannixa Prime wrote:The only cringe take I see is thinking war is moral or ethical.
I’m not joking or being an edgelord when I say Israel is a terrorist state.
America has bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians at the behest of Israel and you expect organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas to be ethical?
I agree Israel and America can be considered terrorist states. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If American soldiers rape Muslim women is it okay for Hezbollah militants to rape Israeli women? Of course not.
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by Shofercia » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:24 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.”At exactly 11:50pm … the Zionist enemy launched an air raid from the direction of the occupied Golan Heights towards southern Damascus,” resulting in “material losses”, the source was quoted as saying.
At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said, adding the attacks targeted an arms depot and a position held by Iranian forces and their Lebanese ally Hezbollah. The nationalities of the dead were not immediately known.
Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?
At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:27 pm
Shofercia wrote:Insaanistan wrote:Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.
Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?
Nope, Israel is continuing to target Hezbollah. From the quote:At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed
Whether or not Israel, who's not invited to Syria, has a right to take out Hezbollah, who were legitimately invited to Syria, is a different story, but in the Middle East might makes right. It's a dangerous gamble for Israel though, because if Israel fails, Hezbollah is going to direct its ire at Israel, rather than attempting to dominate certain aspects of Syria and a good chunk of Lebanon.
by Insaanistan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:28 pm
Shofercia wrote:Insaanistan wrote:Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.
Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?
Nope, Israel is continuing to target Hezbollah. From the quote:At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed
Whether or not Israel, who's not invited to Syria, has a right to take out Hezbollah, who were legitimately invited to Syria, is a different story, but in the Middle East might makes right. It's a dangerous gamble for Israel though, because if Israel fails, Hezbollah is going to direct its ire at Israel, rather than attempting to dominate certain aspects of Syria and a good chunk of Lebanon.
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by Farnhamia » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:39 pm
Mannixa Prime wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:The only valid targets of any paramilitary or military group should be the armed forces, security agencies, or high political figures. Not ordinary civilians. Using this litmus test, does Hezbollah and Hamas maintain their attacks to these targets?
I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.
They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.
Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.
by North American Imperial State » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:43 pm
by Insaanistan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:45 pm
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