UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[Celritannia]

I'm not sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayal, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So more red-tape, more congestion, more problems. Nothing about Brexshit has been positive.

[Vassenor]

I'm note sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayl, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So more red-tape, more congestion, more problems. Nothing about Brexshit has been positive.

But we're not allowed to say that. It's bad for national pride.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm note sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayl, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So more red-tape, more congestion, more problems. Nothing about Brexshit has been positive.

Doesnt matter, Tory's will win the next election regardless.

[Celritannia]

I'm note sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayl, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So more red-tape, more congestion, more problems. Nothing about Brexshit has been positive.

Doesnt matter, Tory's will win the next election regardless.

Because FPTP is a disaster.

[Greed and Death]

I'm note sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayl, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So more red-tape, more congestion, more problems. Nothing about Brexshit has been positive.

Keep complaining and Boris will be ordered to cut the living wage again.

[Celritannia]

I'm note sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayl, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So more red-tape, more congestion, more problems. Nothing about Brexshit has been positive.

Keep complaining and Boris will be ordered to cut the living wage again.

Then we bring out the guillotines?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

This country is a fucking shambles. The tories rob us blind. The opposition party "for the people" are actually mostly filled with neoliberal cunts. Brexit has been handled awfully. The belief that coronavirus will have its own break for Xmas whilst we pass it onto older relatives is absurd. The economy is more important than the lives of the masses and the exhausted key workers.

Fuck the UK and fuck you if you vote Tory.

[Celritannia]

This country is a fucking shambles. The tories rob us blind. The opposition party "for the people" are actually mostly filled with neoliberal cunts. Brexit has been handled awfully. The belief that coronavirus will have its own break for Xmas whilst we pass it onto older relatives is absurd. The economy is more important than the lives of the masses and the exhausted key workers.

Fuck the UK and fuck you if you vote Tory.

Labour is not really neo-liberal. They don't need to go in depth about policies until near election time. They are holding the Tories to account, and that's all they can do for now.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

I'm note sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayl, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So more red-tape, more congestion, more problems. Nothing about Brexshit has been positive.

What is it Dead Kennedys said? "To save the working man you have to put him out to pasture"?

[Giovenith]

This country is a fucking shambles. The tories rob us blind. The opposition party "for the people" are actually mostly filled with neoliberal cunts. Brexit has been handled awfully. The belief that coronavirus will have its own break for Xmas whilst we pass it onto older relatives is absurd. The economy is more important than the lives of the masses and the exhausted key workers.

Fuck the UK and fuck you if you vote Tory.

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[Eranaia]

I'm note sure if this has been posted already, but this is vile and a betrayal. Not to mention happening at the worst time of year. They should be helping these people so they can put money into the economy, not slashing their living wages where they have to tighten their belts even further. 10 years of austerity, 10 years of betrayl, 10 years of an out of touch, vile government.

So companies will be helped out in hard times by being allowed to save on the wages of their lowest paid employees. What are the chances of a matching restraint on executive pay and bonuses? But then of course Sunak's predecessor went from Chancellor in January to being on the payroll of JPMorgan in August, and so many ministers have followed a similar path. By helping the multinationals at the expense of ordinary people they're basically setting themselves and their friends up for the future.

This government wanted to be seen clapping for carers during the first lockdown, but that obviously won't extend to making sure they're paid properly.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Biden says the US doesn't want to see a guarded border between NI and Ireland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55066703

Another lazy one liner for you all from me.

Anyone with a functioning brain doesn't want that to happen.

Anyone with a functioning brain wouldn't want any kind of border around NI but hey here we are. Just have to hope we get the least worst one.

Biden carries some weight though.

[Vassenor]

UK facing risk of 'systemic economic crisis', official paper says

The government has privately admitted the UK faces an increased likelihood of “systemic economic crisis” as it completes its exit from the European Union in the middle of a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic.

A confidential Cabinet Office briefing seen by the Guardian also warns of a “notable risk” that in coming months the country could face a perfect storm of simultaneous disasters, including the prospect of a bad flu season on top of the medical strains caused by Covid.

“Winter 2020 could see a combination of severe flooding, pandemic influenza, a novel emerging infectious disease and coordinated industrial action, against a backdrop of the end of the [Brexit] transition period,” it warns.

But presumably this is a feature of Brexit and the current situation, not a bug.

[North American Imperial State]

This government wanted to be seen clapping for carers during the first lockdown, but that obviously won't extend to making sure they're paid properly.

Not surprised with the Tories

This is nothing new, pretend to care at 1st, then be heartless afterwards

[Tagmatium]

The Department for Transport has greenlit a project to build a large road tunnel near Stonehenge, despite objections from archaeologists, environmentalists, and pagans.

Prepare for the righteous fury of archaeologists the length and breadth of Britain!

We shall put on our jumpers, tie up our boots, have our annual shower, groom our facial hair (especially the women), and march on Downing Street!

Ours is the future, I mean ours is the past, I mean ours is the responsibility for protecting the past for the future.


More seriously, the opinion among archaeologists is divided. Some archaeologists are opposed, and some are in favour. A road tunnel will vastly improve the current landscape compared to the modern route of the A303 (anyone who's been to Stonehenge will appreciate this), and the extensive archaeological mitigation work required will keep a large number of field archaeologists gainfully employed for some time. Note that Historic England - the main statutory body for the preservation of archaeological resources (which is staffed by actual archaeologists and heritage specialists) - is in favour of a tunnel. There is no sense that Stonehenge's UNESCO status is at any risk. The problem is that the actual damage to the Salisbury Plain archaeological landscape is impossible to know. Excavating a site (in both the archaeological and construction senses) destroys it, so what happens if the archaeological teams undertaking the mitigation work discover artefacts or structures of transformative significance for understanding the site and its landscape? That's unclear. I personally incline towards thinking the advantages of getting those cars and lorries out of sight of the landscape outweigh the disadvantages of the potential damage to the archaeology so long as the archaeology is carefully analysed prior to construction; and I have every reason to believe that it will be. However, I'm not a specialist in prehistoric Britain, and respect the opinion of colleagues who disagree with me; it's a tricky one for the archaeological community.


I'd ignore the 'druids', who are a bunch of modern revivalists and mostly harmless fantasists with about as much direct connection to Stonehenge as the contents of my cat's litter tray.

It's also interesting to see who has been kicking off over it and who has been for it within the world of archaeologists.

There certainly seemed to be a blatant dismissal of the abilities of commercial archaeologists by academic archaeologists. Albeit I'm biased; I'm one of the former.

[The New California Republic]

Lol @ this sign:

Speaking @ it in Scots won't make it go away.

[Andsed]

Lol @ this sign:

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Speaking @ it in Scots won't make it go away.

Not with that attitude.

[North American Imperial State]

Lol @ this sign:

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Speaking @ it in Scots won't make it go away.

Haha, good old scots humor

[Ostroeuropa]

Labour folk trying to point out the Tory party has more racism and get the ECHR involved in it are missing the point.

The issue as i've pointed out elsewhere is that conservatives of all races are less likely to give a shit because they view racism in less systemic terms.

They'll read the rules and say "There's nothing in here saying certain races are treated different, ergo, the Tory party isn't racist.".

As such, conservative minorities in the party don't consciously experience the racism and don't complain about it because they perceive racism differently. They're more likely to write it off as "banter" or do the old "bootstraps" routine if you point out disparate outcomes in the party structure.

For comparison, minorities on the left will view and experience racism in systemic terms because the left see's it in systemic terms.

Given this, it's actually difficult to argue there's a problem with the conservative party as a forum for conservative minorities, because they don't really seem to agree... because they're conservatives and have a conservative view of racism. You're left with the task of trying to argue that the Tory party is hostile to minorities who join it when conservative minorities are there saying "No, it's not hostile to us. We're not like you hypersensitive snowflakes."

It would certainly be a toxic environment for left wing minorities, but that's not the purpose of the Tory party, to be a space for left wingers. It's a space for right wingers

So... I dunno man. Is there actually a problem here? Who precisely is harmed? Imaginary left wingers who turn up to Tory party meetings and expect a conservative party to operate according to a progressive ideology?

It would be like pointing out that denial of class and how it impacts society and keeps the working class down while waffling about how they just don't 'try hard enough' and have a 'cultural problem' as though that explains all of it is classism, noting that the Tory party has a shitload of that denial and classism going on, and then saying "And therefore, it is a toxic place for working class conservatives.".

Well, no. Because working class conservatives don't view that issue the same way you do and don't feel mistreated in that environment. They agree with those sentiments. They don't feel uncomfortable or offended or excluded by them.

So what's the solution here exactly? Take a space conservative minorities feel comfortable in and then force it to be something they dislike because we've made it more left wing in its understanding of racism, then tell them they're welcome and there's no need to thank us?

If they wanted a party governed according to that view... they'd join the Labour party or the Liberals. They didn't, because they're conservatives.

So it doesn't matter if Labour becomes embroiled in controversy for a blip on the racism scale at a party meeting while the Tories are breaking the meter every party meeting, because minorities at those Tory meetings don't actually give a fuck and won't raise a shitstorm over it. Labour trying to do it on their behalf to try and point out "The tories are more racist tho" is frankly cringe.

The *POINT* is that left wing minorities *don't feel welcome in the party*, not that "The right wing says more N-words than we do.".

Right. They say the badwords more. In a space where people self-select to go into it if they don't give a shit.

"How come you're calling my business racist for telling a few racist jokes when the one next door tells them all the time?"

Said the McDonalds manager next to the comedy club.

[Hirota]

I'm going to be in tier 2 once we come out of lockdown on the 2nd December.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-o ... rs-by-area

[CoraSpia]

This government hates me, even the family we're going to see for new year (no I'm not sorry) is in tier 2.

[Vassenor]

Well, we've got our post-lockdown tiers list.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm going to be in tier 2 once we come out of lockdown on the 2nd December.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-o ... rs-by-area

Would we know the difference? There's apparently a lockdown on now yet there's still plenty of traffic getting into work.

[Ifreann]

Lol @ this sign:

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Speaking @ it in Scots won't make it go away.

I dunno, has that been tested in a lab?

[North American Imperial State]

I'm going to be in tier 2 once we come out of lockdown on the 2nd December.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-o ... rs-by-area

Would we know the difference? There's apparently a lockdown on now yet there's still plenty of traffic getting into work.

Thats the first thing I noticed when we went in to the second one.
Seems a lot of people did not get the memo