by Aeritai » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:17 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:27 pm
by Aeritai » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:30 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Do we have to? *rolls eyes in a teenage sort of way*
by Farnhamia » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:31 pm
by Aeritai » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:38 pm
FNU wrote:I'd say this would give enough life support to keep the Union alive until 92', and then it'd kick it.
by Arcturus Novus » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:28 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by The Rhomanian Empire » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:32 pm
by Aeritai » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:02 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:I don't think much would happen. Maybe the Taliban would have a different level of control over the country, and that's a strong maybe. By the time of the Afghan War the Soviet government, mostly thanks to Gorbachev but really due to a number of factors after the death of Stalin in '53, was already dying. A victory in a nowhere country with questionable tactical and resource value wouldn't have saved it.
The Rhomanian Empire wrote:I think the Soviets might've been able to use the victory to shore up enough patriotic fervor to last an extra year or two, but ultimately would've still fallen. The Taliban might have some scratches from attempted purging by the Soviet puppet government but would probably be unaffected. Russia might be a bigger target for terrorist attacks as vengeance. It would interesting if all this causes Russia to take a bigger part in the War on Terror or take a more brutal stance against the Chechens.
by Salus Maior » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:12 pm
by Aeritai » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:36 pm
Salus Maior wrote:The deep-seated economic problems would still be problems, to put it simply.
So, it wouldn't exactly be rosy in the Soviet Union.
by Page » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:44 am
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:21 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:44 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:57 am
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Not a lot. The USSR would still have collapsed.
by The New California Republic » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:01 am
Aeritai wrote:1. Would the victory in Afghanistan delay the fall of the Soviet Union?
Aeritai wrote:2. Would the Taliban still rise into power?
Aeritai wrote:3. Would Russia be a target of terrorist attacks or would terror attacks continue against the West?
Aeritai wrote:4. Would the new Soviet puppet government keep Afghanistan stable or it would it become unstable as soon as the USSR fell?
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:05 am
by The New California Republic » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:10 am
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Come to think of it, didn't the USSR practice imperialism despite denouncing imperialism in the West?
The policy of the USSR towards its neighbouring states is indistinguishable from that of Imperialist Russia.
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:19 am
The New California Republic wrote:Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Come to think of it, didn't the USSR practice imperialism despite denouncing imperialism in the West?
From a book I have on my shelf, this quote is next to a picture of a T-55 in Prague in '68:The policy of the USSR towards its neighbouring states is indistinguishable from that of Imperialist Russia.
by Feyrisshire » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:41 am
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by The New California Republic » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:47 am
Feyrisshire wrote:The fall of the USSR really had nothing to do with economic [...] factors really
by Feyrisshire » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:01 am
The New California Republic wrote:Feyrisshire wrote:The fall of the USSR really had nothing to do with economic [...] factors really
Sorry but it actually did. The stagnating economy did fuel dissent in the satellite states. Without the Brezhnev Stagnation it's debatable whether the collapse would have still happened.
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by The New California Republic » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:04 am
Feyrisshire wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but it actually did. The stagnating economy did fuel dissent in the satellite states. Without the Brezhnev Stagnation it's debatable whether the collapse would have still happened.
It's dubious what kind of dissent would a "stagnating economy" create for the majority of the population if the USSR didn't really have any problems maintaining a welfare state during 1960s-early 1980s, esp. if most people have access to free housing, healthcare, education, etc. In fact, all of the dissent and the revival of nationalism coincided upon the onset of Gorbachev's perestroika and glasnost, when the social safety net was cut and people lost access to services - even increasing dissent further.
The problems the USSR experienced weren't really as dire in the Breshnev stagnation as in the perestroika and glasnost, meaning that that's the direct catalyst for most of the disastrous changes.
by Feyrisshire » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:09 am
The New California Republic wrote:One of the key aspects of Perestroika was economic reform, because they realised how dire the economic situation was. One of the causes of the collapse was economic, that point is undeniable and non-negotiable.
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by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:12 am
The New California Republic wrote:Feyrisshire wrote:The fall of the USSR really had nothing to do with economic [...] factors really
Sorry but it actually did. The stagnating economy did fuel dissent in the satellite states. Without the Brezhnev Stagnation it's debatable whether the collapse would have still happened.
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