MAGAThread XX: A Journal of the Plague Year

[The Black Forrest]

What would this better society look like?

Largely free of governmental influence.

Indeed. The government that governs best; governs least. The problem? If people behaved we wouldn’t need the government or the rule of law.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Yes which would be a bad thing for everyone

Not if a better society rises from the ashes.

You have a bit too much unrealistic faith in that being possible.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes which would be a bad thing for everyone

Not if a better society rises from the ashes.

The operative word is if.

[Jedi Council]

Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman

Well even if they are not racists personally, the see no issue with supporting a racist candidate. And that's just one of Trumps flaws.

If you support Trump you need to ignore more than the racism; you need to be fine with the lying, the vanity, the ignorance; the dictator love, the vulgarity, the corruption, the sexism, the disrespect for the troops, the greed, the authoritarian tendencies, the selfishness and various other traits that 20 years ago would have been disqualifying for any presidential candidate.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Lol if you think every, or even anywhere close to the majority of Trump supporters are racist, you’ve fallen to the propaganda of the leftist media, and you probably don’t actually know any Trump supporters in real life

How many Trump supporters do you think are actually racist? Lmao what a strawman

Well even if they are not racists personally, the see no issue with supporting a racist candidate. And that's just one of Trumps flaws.

If you support Trump you need to ignore more than the racism; you need to be fine with the lying, the vanity, the ignorance; the dictator love, the vulgarity, the corruption, the sexism, the disrespect for the troops, the greed, the authoritarian tendencies, the selfishness and various other traits that 20 years ago would have been disqualifying for any presidential candidate.

I guess this was all worth it if it meant "building the wall."

[Jedi Council]

Well even if they are not racists personally, the see no issue with supporting a racist candidate. And that's just one of Trumps flaws.

If you support Trump you need to ignore more than the racism; you need to be fine with the lying, the vanity, the ignorance; the dictator love, the vulgarity, the corruption, the sexism, the disrespect for the troops, the greed, the authoritarian tendencies, the selfishness and various other traits that 20 years ago would have been disqualifying for any presidential candidate.

I guess this was all worth it if it meant "building the wall."

Which was never even really built.

[The Alma Mater]

Well even if they are not racists personally, the see no issue with supporting a racist candidate. And that's just one of Trumps flaws.

If you support Trump you need to ignore more than the racism; you need to be fine with the lying, the vanity, the ignorance; the dictator love, the vulgarity, the corruption, the sexism, the disrespect for the troops, the greed, the authoritarian tendencies, the selfishness and various other traits that 20 years ago would have been disqualifying for any presidential candidate.

I guess this was all worth it if it meant "building the wall."

Honestly, it seems it really mostly is the abortion thing. At least that is what people are declaring openly. And it is not unreasonable as such - if you believe abortion is genocide overlooking all the lesser crimes is defensible.

Well that, and not understanding taxbrackets, claiming they all earn 400k and not knowing Trump has already signed legislation that will increase taxes for normal incomes next year.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I guess this was all worth it if it meant "building the wall."

Which was never even really built.

So the trumpsters brought about the death of 237,000 Americans, and the permanent separation of hundreds of immigrant children from their parents just to get a crappy border fence?

Damn, was it really worth it?

[The Alma Mater]

Which was never even really built.

So the trumpsters brought about the death of 237,000 Americans, and the permanent separation of hundreds of immigrant children from their parents just to get a crappy border fence?

Damn, was it really worth it?

For the Mexicans it was - they have been stealing parts of the wall for two years now to improve the walls of their own homes.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So the trumpsters brought about the death of 237,000 Americans, and the permanent separation of hundreds of immigrant children from their parents just to get a crappy border fence?

Damn, was it really worth it?

For the Mexicans it was - they have been stealing parts of the wall for two years now to improve the walls of their own homes.

Lmfao what a wall

[The Alma Mater]

For the Mexicans it was - they have been stealing parts of the wall for two years now to improve the walls of their own homes.

Lmfao what a wall

https://youtu.be/NOqXgO0MFbQ - for laughs

[Euroslavia]

The people mocking Trump supporters are the intended audience of Biden's message.

Trump supporters deserve to be mocked, frankly.

You tied yourselves down to a deranged, racist imbecile that left 230,000+ Americans to die of a virus he completely ignored as he also mocked dead soldiers, bragged about sexually assaulting young girls, and even called you guys idiots to your faces (which caused you to cheer) while he stuffed his bank account full of your taxes and still somehow went broke. The past 4 years have just proven what most Americana already knew: Trump is a liar, a pervert, a bigot, a moron, and a psychopath.

And you stuck by him. Because he was "your guy" from "your party" or whatever other nonsense you use to justify it. You dismissed every gaffe and crime he committed as "fake news" or "taken out of context". So, yeah, sorry, you deserve to be mocked. Until the day you wake up and realize you were wrong, and then admit it, you deserve to be mocked.

I don't get what the people calling for "unity" expect. You've consistently displayed that you don't give a fuck about the facts, the law, or even human life - yet they somehow expect that by being respectful toward you they can sway you to reason. What a bunch of bullshit. Once you're in the Cult 45 the only way out is through your own efforts.

Until then, you will be mocked. You will be mocked until you realize why you're being mocked and why you deserve to be mocked. So spare me the "boohoo stop picking on me because I support Trump you guys" crap. You asked for this when you signed up with that lunatic and stood beside him through every act of evil and stupidity he committed to this day. Until you renounce him, you're going to be mocked. Deal with it.

As long as you're on this site, your posts must abide by the rules we've set forth in debate. Intent to harass or insult will eventually land you afoul of the rules, so I would recommend that you take a step back and be careful what you post.

[Rusozak]

Shouldn't Trump hate Trump now? I thought he only likes people who aren't losers. Gonna cause some kind of logic paradox. Watch him and his cultists reverse their stance on everything they've talked about now that they are the underdogs again.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Well a good half of the ones in my area are, but jusr for the sake of argument:



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... n-the-u-s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZV20C

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZE2SW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... l_campaign

But let me guess, all those people who voted for the guy that claimed thousands of arab americans cheered on 9/11 aren't racist. No one is gonna be able to keep a straight face if you urironically argue that people didnt vote for a candidate whose campaign was based on racism because they themselves are racists.

Have you noted that those are from the last election?

I already responded to that exact same copypasta earlier in this thread:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... l_campaign

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... n-the-u-s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZV20C

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZE2SW

Idk man, it looks like at least half of trump's fans are actually racist. Not surprised since they supported the guy who claimed Mexican immigrants are mexico's worst, arab americans cheer on 9/11, Ilhan Omar and AOC should "go back to their countries" and black people are the murderers in 81% of homicides involving a white victim.

Being suspicious of Islam isn't racist. 100% of all Americans should be suspicious of Islam. I certainly am. I'm an atheist. Being critical of mass immigration isn't racist. Immigrants aren't always a net benefit or always a net burden in every case. I personally view immigrants as sometimes being a burden and sometimes a benefit to my country. Were participants forced to choose between two opposing multiple choice answers? This would make a huge difference in how the responses add up.

Regarding the Reuters poll on race, one has to pay close heed to the methodology used to arrive at the conclusions that they did. The poll asks participants to rate how violent, criminal, or lazy blacks are and repeat the same exercise for whites. This would imply some sort of scale from 1-10. What Reuters found was a discrepancy between how negatively Trump supporters viewed whites compared to how they viewed whites. The most this would imply is some sort of implicit racial bias, which does not in and of itself make Trump supporters consciously and willfully racist, and correlation doesn't imply causation, so this doesn't prove systemic racism either. Unfortunately, the link to the infographic doesn't work. In conclusion, the oft-repeated claim that Trump supporters are a mostly racist bunch simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny and is nothing more than a casual leftist smear. Trump supporters who aren't legitimately racist have a lot to lose due to being found out.

Either way, the polls and surveys you cite are four years old and were conducted when the Democratic and Republican primaries were still underway, so they clearly do not represent Trump supporters today who likely are much larger in numbers and have likely absorbed many supporters of other Republican primary candidates since then as well as a small but growing number of liberals, independents, moderates, and former Democrat supporters like myself who are fed up with the woke, gaslighting BS of the Democrats and the Left and have been redpilled to varying degrees.

Trump supporters are likely much more diverse than they were four years ago. They include most Israelis, most Indians, and even a number of prominent Hong Kongers and Chinese political dissidents such as Jimmy Lai and Chen Guangcheng. According to someone close to me who understands Chinese and is able to watch Chinese YT political commentary, there are even more such dissidents in addition to these two who back Trump. There are also those who plan to vote for him out of necessity and disdain for the Marxist Left rather than principled idol worship.

We really are a truly diverse bunch of all races, genders, nationalities, and even ideologically. We are not all white, middle-aged, obese, ignorant, racist, misogynist, beer-swilling, cigar-smoking, gun-toting, god-fearing hillbillies and rednecks from the mosquito-infested swamps with strong southern accents, an inordinate amount of body hair, a bad case of body odor, and flies whizzing around. This is a fact the Left and its MSM mouthpieces simply refuse to recognize. We're a big tent.

Trump claimed illegal Mexican immigrants are Mexico's worst. But they're illegal and should all be deported anyway even if this isn't the case. While Arabs in New Jersey did not celebrate 9/11, Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims across the Middle East certainly did and ABC News has the archive footage to prove it. Ilhan Omar, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Ayanna Pressley, and other radical leftist Democrats are ungrateful and unable to appreciate just how lucky they are to live in one of the most liberal, progressive, democratic countries in the world, and nobody's forcing them to remain in the United States. The vast majority of blacks who commit murder take the lives of other blacks, and the vast majority of black murder victims were murdered by another African-American, a fact BLM doesn't seem to care about in their zeal to demonize ALL white people as inherently racist and guilty of the original sin of white privilege, a sin that can never be redeemed, preferring to judge them by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

My suspicion back in 2016 (although I wasn't entirely sure back then) was that Trump was simply trolling and playing 11D chess with the Left (something he absolutely should be doing) in order to elicit a predictable reaction that would, in turn, galvanize his base and confirm to them (and myself) the hatred and intolerance of the Left, rather than actually meaning any of the horrible things he said during the election campaign. You've simply fallen for his game hook, line, and sinker. Four years later and it appears my suspicions are correct. Donald Trump is the master troll.

I also posted this about the increasing racial diversity of Trump supporters in the election megathread pertaining to the 2020 election results:

Trump wins almost 5 million more votes than at the 2016 election

Black men drifted from Democrats toward Trump in record numbers, polls show

Trump Wins Highest Percent of Nonwhite Voters of Any Republican in 60 Years, Doubles LGBTQ Support From 2016: Exit Poll

Despite increasingly rabid opposition and constant fearmongering from the Left and MSM mouthpieces to President Trump, the man is more popular than ever before among minorities and LGBTQ people. Ironically, support for him has decreased among white men. Could it be that he's not actually racist or homophobic?

Also this:

The pollsters were wrong once again. The shy Trump voter really does exist. Nigel Farage was absolutely right all along.

Republicans stand poised to retain control of the Senate, and shave the Democratic majority in the House. Americans have not "overwhelmingly repudiated Trumpian politics" in a Democratic presidential landslide. If anything, Trump is more popular than ever before. Could it be that calling everyone you don't like a racist and a fascist and being extremely hateful and toxic toward one's opponents might've had something to do with it? It's pretty obvious. I personally know what that feels like.

Further evidence that Donald Trump isn't racist and the woke Left is totally out of touch:

Perhaps more importantly, the media continues to be wrong about why Trump is popular, and about which people like him. Unable to admit that a Democratic Party held hostage by liberal arts graduates who write their preferred pronouns on their name tags might be out of touch with the working class voters who traditionally vote blue, many cable news talking heads settled on any number of alternative explanations: from Russian interference to lingering, perhaps resurgent, racism throughout the U.S. (CNN's Van Jones called it a "whitelash" in 2016.)

Trump, though appears to have improved—albeit modestly—his totals with minority voters, including and especially Latino voters. The narrative that Trump's divisive rhetoric about foreigners and immigrants renders him completely toxic to minority voters just doesn't match the reality. Indeed, the results thus far suggested that the racial gap—at least for Latinos—is shrinking, and class and educational attainment are becoming more salient considerations than race.

In other words: It's the economy, stupid. [Note to mods: Reference, not trolling.]

Democratic MSM mouthpieces have been morphing into one, big, left-wing echo chamber for years now and everyone but themselves can see what's happening. The media rot has really spread far and wide.

Even though it appears Joe Biden may win this one, it will be by the narrowest of margins and the Left's ability to smugly gloat about their opponents' "defeat" and mine conservative salt has been greatly and thankfully limited.

[The Emerald Legion]

Shouldn't Trump hate Trump now? I thought he only likes people who aren't losers. Gonna cause some kind of logic paradox. Watch him and his cultists reverse their stance on everything they've talked about now that they are the underdogs again.

What do you mean? I'm not going to stop supporting positions I support just because I'm in the minority. Truths don't stop being true when unpopular.

[The Alma Mater]

Shouldn't Trump hate Trump now? I thought he only likes people who aren't losers. Gonna cause some kind of logic paradox. Watch him and his cultists reverse their stance on everything they've talked about now that they are the underdogs again.

What do you mean? I'm not going to stop supporting positions I support just because I'm in the minority. Truths don't stop being true when unpopular.

Trump has stated often that he does not respect losers. Since he himself is now a loser, has he lost his selfrespect ?

That is more or less the question asked.

[Rusozak]

Shouldn't Trump hate Trump now? I thought he only likes people who aren't losers. Gonna cause some kind of logic paradox. Watch him and his cultists reverse their stance on everything they've talked about now that they are the underdogs again.

What do you mean? I'm not going to stop supporting positions I support just because I'm in the minority. Truths don't stop being true when unpopular.

Well, I meant more in regards to "law and order" and "he's YOUR president" and citing Presidential privilege for this week's abuse of power and all of that. Stances on things that were largely dependent on them being in power.

[Albrenia]

Shouldn't Trump hate Trump now? I thought he only likes people who aren't losers. Gonna cause some kind of logic paradox. Watch him and his cultists reverse their stance on everything they've talked about now that they are the underdogs again.

What do you mean? I'm not going to stop supporting positions I support just because I'm in the minority. Truths don't stop being true when unpopular.

I think they mean that Trump hates losers, and he is himself, now objectively a loser.

[The Emerald Legion]

What do you mean? I'm not going to stop supporting positions I support just because I'm in the minority. Truths don't stop being true when unpopular.

Trump has stated often that he does not respect losers. Since he himself is now a loser, has he lost his selfrespect ?

That is more or less the question asked.

Depends on if he actually loses. Despite media shilling it's not over yet.

Though to be honest I never agreed with his losers comments. While there is something to be said for the tragedy of the plight of our armed forces, the way in which he expressed it was... Not kosher.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Depends on if he actually loses. Despite media shilling it's not over yet.

It’s over, he’s lost, it’s time for Trump to pack it in and accept defeat.

[Albrenia]

Trump has stated often that he does not respect losers. Since he himself is now a loser, has he lost his selfrespect ?

That is more or less the question asked.

Depends on if he actually loses. Despite media shilling it's not over yet.

Though to be honest I never agreed with his losers comments. While there is something to be said for the tragedy of the plight of our armed forces, the way in which he expressed it was... Not kosher.

Oh, so you buy the bogus claims of the media shilling despite them waiting two days longer than needed.

I suppose you also can't understand how mail-in ballots logically favour the guy who explicitly encouraged them over the guy who explicitly claimed them fraudulent.

[The Emerald Legion]

Depends on if he actually loses. Despite media shilling it's not over yet.

Though to be honest I never agreed with his losers comments. While there is something to be said for the tragedy of the plight of our armed forces, the way in which he expressed it was... Not kosher.

Oh, so you buy the bogus claims of the media shilling despite them waiting two days longer than needed.

I suppose you also can't understand how mail-in ballots logically favour the guy who explicitly encouraged them over the guy who explicitly claimed them fraudulent.

Bogus in that there are several recounts and court cases ongoing?

It's not over until it's actually over. Regardless of probability, and last I heard the Supreme court was set to take on the PA case.

[Albrenia]

Oh, so you buy the bogus claims of the media shilling despite them waiting two days longer than needed.

I suppose you also can't understand how mail-in ballots logically favour the guy who explicitly encouraged them over the guy who explicitly claimed them fraudulent.

Bogus in that there are several recounts and court cases ongoing?

It's not over until it's actually over. Regardless of probability, and last I heard the Supreme court was set to take on the PA case.

I don't think a recount has ever changed 10,000 votes before, so it doesn't really matter.

With the other states, I don't think Biden even needs PA anymore, so it doesn't change the result either even if SCOTUS decide to be absolute morons and accept known liars saying 'they cheated' as factual proof.

[Tarsonis]

Bogus in that there are several recounts and court cases ongoing?

It's not over until it's actually over. Regardless of probability, and last I heard the Supreme court was set to take on the PA case.

I don't think a recount has ever changed 10,000 votes before, so it doesn't really matter.

With the other states, I don't think Biden even needs PA anymore, so it doesn't change the result either even if SCOTUS decide to be absolute morons and accept known liars saying 'they cheated' as factual proof.

Known liars aren't incapable of telling the truth. If they have legitimate evidence of voter fraud it should be heard. But I seriously doubt they have it.

[Tarsonis]

Oh, so you buy the bogus claims of the media shilling despite them waiting two days longer than needed.

I suppose you also can't understand how mail-in ballots logically favour the guy who explicitly encouraged them over the guy who explicitly claimed them fraudulent.

Bogus in that there are several recounts and court cases ongoing?

It's not over until it's actually over. Regardless of probability, and last I heard the Supreme court was set to take on the PA case.

Hope is an admirable quality, so long as there's a possibility of your desired outcome. We're way passed that point. I said the same things you are during the 2012 elections, Romney still lost. The media, for all their quirks and biases, do know what they're doing here.