2020 US General Election Thread XII: The End

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

If you check back to 2016, when he was asked that, he didn’t answer. I think it’s obvious he won’t. And he doesn’t need to, it makes no difference. Come Inauguration Day, he’s out.

[Nejii]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

I've never been much for golf. I prefer futball (soccer) and volleyball.

[The Alma Mater]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

I've never been much for golf. I prefer futball (soccer) and volleyball.

Yes, but do you get paid for doing that ?

[Luminesa]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

Might help him blow-off steam? Who knows.

[Nejii]

I've never been much for golf. I prefer futball (soccer) and volleyball.

Yes, but do you get paid for doing that ?

No, well, not me personally.

I haven't' actually played either in a good while. Not since last summer.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes, but do you get paid for doing that ?

No, well, not me personally.

I haven't' actually played either in a good while. Not since last summer.

See, that's the difference.
Trump gets paid whenever he plays golf. A lot.

[Nejii]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

Might help him blow-off steam? Who knows.

History and comic relief has shown actually that golf can only make one steamier if they aren't much of a player.

[Ranoria]

I've never been much for golf. I prefer futball (soccer) and volleyball.

Yes, but do you get paid for doing that ?

First off, Trump doesn't take his salary as president. Secondly, if presidents get paid to golf, so does every other person who goes golfing and is paid based on salary rather than wages.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes, but do you get paid for doing that ?

First off, Trump doesn't take his salary as president. Secondly, if presidents get paid to golf, so does every other person who goes golfing and is paid based on salary rather than wages.

Whenever Trump plays at Mar A Lago, the US government rents the resort. Trump is not playing for free - he is paying himself with taxpayer money to play. It is a bloody brilliant construct, which has netted him vastly more than the salary would have done.

Other presidents tended to play on government owned golf courses, so that the money would not go into their pockets.

[Kannap]

Am I allowed to start criticizing Biden and Harris without being accused of helping Trump win or is it still too soon?

[Nejii]

Am I allowed to start criticizing Biden and Harris without being accused of helping Trump win or is it still too soon?

Still too soon.

[Kannap]

Yes, but do you get paid for doing that ?

First off, Trump doesn't take his salary as president. Secondly, if presidents get paid to golf, so does every other person who goes golfing and is paid based on salary rather than wages.

He may not be taking a salary but he gets to live in taxpayer funded housing rent-free, not to mention food, transportation, protection. These things aren't free.

Not to mention that the government pays his companies for their services when they're utilized or their facilities - like Mar-a-Lago are rented.

[Kannap]

Am I allowed to start criticizing Biden and Harris without being accused of helping Trump win or is it still too soon?

Still too soon.

Good thing I've been doing it for months anyway.

[Valrifell]

Still too soon.

Good thing I've been doing it for months anyway.

Ahead of the curve.

[The New California Republic]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

If you check back to 2016, when he was asked that, he didn’t answer. I think it’s obvious he won’t. And he doesn’t need to, it makes no difference. Come Inauguration Day, he’s out.

Still comes across as childish and petty if he doesn't.

[Salandriagado]

And now there's a petition on Change.Org with ~840K signatures demanding that the election be re-voted.

What happened to "You Lost, Get Over It"?

The 2016 election had a clear winner. This one has been marred by irregularities

That's... just not true. This one has a clear winner: it's Biden, by probably a full 74 EVs. That is, in fact, exactly how many EVs Trump won by in 2016 (ignoring faithless electors, which put him an extra 3 ahead).

[Vassenor]

First off, Trump doesn't take his salary as president. Secondly, if presidents get paid to golf, so does every other person who goes golfing and is paid based on salary rather than wages.

Whenever Trump plays at Mar A Lago, the US government rents the resort. Trump is not playing for free - he is paying himself with taxpayer money to play. It is a bloody brilliant construct, which has netted him vastly more than the salary would have done.

Other presidents tended to play on government owned golf courses, so that the money would not go into their pockets.

But you see the salary is the only way that Trump could possibly make money as President and certainly hasn't spent four years violating the Domestic Emoluments Clause by forcing the US government to pay for the use of his properties.

[Andsed]

If you check back to 2016, when he was asked that, he didn’t answer. I think it’s obvious he won’t. And he doesn’t need to, it makes no difference. Come Inauguration Day, he’s out.

Still comes across as childish and petty if he doesn't.

Not to mention how irresponsible it is seeing as if he refuses to concede the election that is just going to fuel the fires. Trump needs to grow up and concede the goddamm the election like pretty every other candidate has when they lost.

[Salandriagado]

So i know several states are yet to be called but we can tell at this point the most likely outcome for them, so did anyone on here get a correct prediction for how it would all turn out?

This was my final one the day of the election:

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Honestly i was pretty fucking close, i got North Carolina wrong and it seems Georgia too, but everything else has turned out how i predicted it, though i thought it was gona be much closer for much of the last few days so i basically discounted by prediction a few days ago.

And it seems my total vote count for both candidates is gona be off by one for each. That is if the remaining states to be called go as it looks like they are.

My prediction was as yours, but with Georgia blue, so I was closer in terms of states, but you were closer in terms of EV.

[Kannap]

Good thing I've been doing it for months anyway.

Ahead of the curve.

It's been good practice for the next four years. Will be a little easier though when Biden and Harris are actively giving me things to bitch about while they're in office.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club

That's him in a nutshell.

[The Alma Mater]

Whenever Trump plays at Mar A Lago, the US government rents the resort. Trump is not playing for free - he is paying himself with taxpayer money to play. It is a bloody brilliant construct, which has netted him vastly more than the salary would have done.

Other presidents tended to play on government owned golf courses, so that the money would not go into their pockets.

But you see the salary is the only way that Trump could possibly make money as President and certainly hasn't spent four years violating the Domestic Emoluments Clause by forcing the US government to pay for the use of his properties.

Or his kids getting suddenly obtaining very lucrative trademarks in China after daddy became prez.
In total, the Trump family has earned well over a billion from their 4 years in the white house. But hey - at least he did not accept the 400k salary.

[Salandriagado]

Irregularities such as what?

Given that Sharpiegate turned out not to be a thing and the MI glitch was caught and fixed very early on and both the Democrat and Republican poll-watchers agreed that it had been.

The glitch we caught was fixed. But that software is used in 30 states, including every swing state. So now all those counts need to be redone, otherwise your looking at potentially millions of votes being tabulated incorrectly.
We also have the issue of Pennsylvania stopping the count and sending poll watcher home, only to restart at 4 in the morning, 4 hours before they said they would, and a separate error that resulted in 4-5k potentially being miscounted in Antrim county.
Individual cases aside there's other stuff that's just weird and sends up red flags to me. Like 30% of bidens ballots having no votes down ballot,

Not actually true (or knowable). What is true is that more people voted for Biden than voted for down-ticket Democrats, but that just says to me that Trump pissed off a lot of Republican voters, who therefore voted against Trump but in favour of the other Republican candidates.

results that seem to violate benfords law,

Vote counts don't span multiple orders of magnitude, so there's no reason to expect them to follow Benford's law.

and the apparent claim that Biden had a greater share of the black vote then Obama, but only in the states he needed to flip.

That's... again, not knowable, and doesn't seem to be true.

Seriously, dude, you need to stop uncritically believing everything you read on Twitter.

[Valrifell]

What the hell is Trump actually doing at the moment? Is he just doing some soul-searching in the White House? Concede for fuck's sake.

EDIT: Oh, he's playing golf:

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/electio ... type=share

Trump repeats fraud claims then goes to golf club

That's him in a nutshell.

You've done it, you've broken Donald Trump into his bear essentials.

[Torisakia]

Some of my right-wing mutuals on social media are starting the denial stage of the grief cycle. One mentioned "Al Gore was president-elect for 37 days until the recount". I tried to fact-check that and found nothing that indicated that Gore was president-elect until a recount, at least not for that long (I'm aware of the Florida recount in 2000).

I wonder if the grief counselor market is going to boom in the next few weeks?