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2020 US General Election Thread XII: The End

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What's Your Opinion on The Election's Outcome

Mostly Good
94
21%
Good
84
19%
A Little of Both Good and Bad
125
28%
Meh
51
11%
Bad
46
10%
Very Bad
44
10%
 
Total votes : 444

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Vapormancer
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Postby Vapormancer » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Vapormancer wrote:
Sure but how much better would it have been if we had a decisive result on November 3rd? This was unlike any election we ever had. It only fed into that narrative. It is clearly the incompetence and usual "quality" from the local government types but one would think they could be asked to work a bit longer and a bit harder to get things done. I'm getting calls from overseas laughing at our inability to do anything right. Good luck spreading democracy when our system generates perceived illegitimacy through incompetence! Hilarious really. Yet another own goal.


We didn't have the voting infrastructure to properly deal with the surge of ballots, particularly early and mail-in ballots. States that had very specific rules on how to count those only fed into the narrative more, the GOP by telling people to not vote by mail did so as well.

So...yeah, of course we're incompetent and terrible at exporting our broken democracy. But this was a victory nonetheless. I feel like you're in agreement with people here but are still lambasting something, and I can't understand what.


I'm lambasting the fact that you've won a paper victory, destroyed the legitimacy of our institutions through incompetence and now will deal with the reckoning of having lost the local elections. The House vs Presidency gap was huge. Both parties nearly tied its vote. Not to mention, the inability of local government properly execute elections means in a portion of those 69 million plus at last check, they can't be trusted. We are dissolving with rapid and with heady joy, the built up reserves of institution trust because we can't ask people to do their duty. It is quite clear what I am attacking. Our system is killing itself very rapidly.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am

Atheris wrote:Not sure if anyone commented, but this is the first time an incumbent president has been defeated since 1993.

1992 but yeah.
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Postby Atheris » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Vapormancer wrote:
Yes, you won a temporary victory but lost a decade. Very well done! No doubt this will go long to assuage your blame of him for all ills wrong with the country. You can sleep easy at night knowing a 2022 slaughter is coming. If this is what you view as a "decisive win", after Trump cratered the economy and bungled a pandemic, I seriously question your position.


God, let us have some serotonin for just one fleeting second lmfao.

Wh- what?! You guys are getting happy chemicals out of this! I want happy chemicals! Give me happy chemicals! *shakes fists angrily* Nyeeeh!
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Postby Odreria » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Vapormancer wrote:
Yes, you won a temporary victory but lost a decade. Very well done! No doubt this will go long to assuage your blame of him for all ills wrong with the country. You can sleep easy at night knowing a 2022 slaughter is coming. If this is what you view as a "decisive win", after Trump cratered the economy and bungled a pandemic, I seriously question your position.


God, let us have some serotonin for just one fleeting second lmfao.

yeah dems are mega screwed long term but one the other hand i can gloat (not on this website perish the thought) so it balances out
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Postby Cisairse » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am

Des-Bal wrote:
No State Here wrote:Reverse 2016 time

Instead of college liberals and hipsters having hysteric meltdowns on Tumblr and Reddit, it’s Trumpsters having hysteric meltdowns on 4chan and TheDonald

Every. Single. Time. That I see TheDonald I read it as TheMcDonald. This has never not happened.

Lmfao
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am


Hey got two people! I couldnt resist giving it a second shot. But like Cannot said, needed a more believable headline.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:07 am



Who has that much power over him ?


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Postby Valrifell » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am

Odreria wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
God, let us have some serotonin for just one fleeting second lmfao.

yeah dems are mega screwed long term but one the other hand i can gloat (not on this website perish the thought) so it balances out


It's the usual kind of screwed, really.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am

Valrifell wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
God, let us have some serotonin for just one fleeting second lmfao.


2022 is likely going to be bad for Democrats but that's kind of up in the air, it tends to go that way but we live in exceptional times.

I think it's only going to be bad if the DNC learns the wrong lesson from this election. Which, given that it's the fucking DNC, they probably will.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am

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Esalia wrote:
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Dresderstan wrote:You son of a bitch, genius!!!

Hey got two people! I couldnt resist giving it a second shot. But like Cannot said, needed a more believable headline.

Trump Concedes Heated Election

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am

Des-Bal wrote:
No State Here wrote:Reverse 2016 time

Instead of college liberals and hipsters having hysteric meltdowns on Tumblr and Reddit, it’s Trumpsters having hysteric meltdowns on 4chan and TheDonald

Every. Single. Time. That I see TheDonald I read it as TheMcDonald. This has never not happened.

To be fair.... you ever seen Donald and Ronald in the same room?
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am

Des-Bal wrote:
No State Here wrote:Reverse 2016 time

Instead of college liberals and hipsters having hysteric meltdowns on Tumblr and Reddit, it’s Trumpsters having hysteric meltdowns on 4chan and TheDonald

Every. Single. Time. That I see TheDonald I read it as TheMcDonald. This has never not happened.

#RonaldMcDonald2024

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Postby Cisairse » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am

Atheris wrote:Not sure if anyone commented, but this is the first time an incumbent president has been defeated since 1993.

1992. The defeat is the election, not the inauguration.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am


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Postby Vapormancer » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Vapormancer wrote:
Yes, you won a temporary victory but lost a decade.

COOOOOPE


Now, now Liri, you won't be saying that when nothing can get passed. You'll be right back to telling us how evil the Republicans are and how very bad they have done in the country. The issue with this is we had a chance to end that a few days ago. They blew it. The only cope is the refusal to see they kept their tea party gains and it is only going to keep going on. 2020 was for all the marbles and you got one. GG no re!

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:09 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Vapormancer wrote:
Yes, you won a temporary victory but lost a decade.

COOOOOPE


It's really not. A lot of things are falling in line for the GOP to come roaring back hard. This outcome actually very arguably is the best one for the GOP.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:09 am

Iranian Union States wrote:
Purpelia wrote:I provided no definition at all. The two sides are blanks for you to fill in.

Whatever side that " makes life hell for everyone for the next few months " is not good.

The more paralyzed america gets the better for the rest of us. Especially now that the interventionist war party has won. Well, both parties are interventionist war parties but Trump was an outlayer. Without him it's back to globalism (disgusting) and invasions.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:09 am

Atheris wrote:Not sure if anyone commented, but this is the first time an incumbent president has been defeated since 1993.

That one isn't hard to sort out. Trump is the tenth president to try for a second term and get denied.
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Postby Atheris » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:09 am

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Postby Tyrassueb » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:09 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
2022 is likely going to be bad for Democrats but that's kind of up in the air, it tends to go that way but we live in exceptional times.

I think it's only going to be bad if the DNC learns the wrong lesson from this election. Which, given that it's the fucking DNC, they probably will.


They already are in that they are blaming the Progressives and saying they need to replace Pelosi with someone even more conservative and beholden to Wall Street.
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Postby Esalia » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:09 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Esalia wrote:
I'm impressed.
Dresderstan wrote:You son of a bitch, genius!!!

Hey got two people! I couldnt resist giving it a second shot. But like Cannot said, needed a more believable headline.


You've gotten me with both Rickrolls.

I really shouldn't trust links from you at this point.
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Postby Myrth » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:09 am

Vapormancer wrote:
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House is heavily gerrymandered towards Republicans. 2020 census and controlling more state legislatures will let them undo a lot of this. The senate is essentially one big gerrymander towards the Republicans and the 2020 map was very unfavourable to the democrats anyway. They still beat 2 republican incumbents, one in a former red state, and forced a run-off in supposedly ruby red Georgia. The 2022 map has basically no democrats in vulnerable states, and plenty of republican senators up in states that are now blue.


You did not win a single state legislature. Not one. You lost house seats. Enjoy another decade of redistricting and needing +3 in the House and +6 in the Senate to win :^)


They control more state senates/houses/governors than they did in 2010. Any one of these 3 is enough to block a gerrymander and force the courts to appoint a non-partisan commission to redistrict. Lost a few, but still control the house. And your maths is a little off, assuming both GA seats go to the Republicans, they only need to net 2 seats in 2022 to regain control of the senate, and considering WI and PA are up in 2022, they have a good chance of doing so. Enjoy 2 years of Democratic executive orders :^)
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:10 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
2022 is likely going to be bad for Democrats but that's kind of up in the air, it tends to go that way but we live in exceptional times.

I think it's only going to be bad if the DNC learns the wrong lesson from this election. Which, given that it's the fucking DNC, they probably will.


If they can successfully tie the midterm elections in 2022 to a potential resurgence of Trump-policies, then there's a slim possibility of at least hanging in there. But it remains to be seen how "mission accomplished" the DNC and Democratic base are going to be about the whole affair.
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Postby Organized States » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:10 am

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Hey got two people! I couldnt resist giving it a second shot. But like Cannot said, needed a more believable headline.

Trump Concedes Heated Election

I fell... for the same thing... twice...
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