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2020 US General Election Thread XII: The End

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What's Your Opinion on The Election's Outcome

Mostly Good
94
21%
Good
84
19%
A Little of Both Good and Bad
125
28%
Meh
51
11%
Bad
46
10%
Very Bad
44
10%
 
Total votes : 444

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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:04 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:Impossible. Ben Garrison showed me that Trump is a mighty chad with impeccable posture and lots of sharp angles!


It was like 3 weeks ago when I learned he was a real person.

I'd like to link Ben's take on the election but that would be a bad idea
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because President Hillary Clinton

and that would not have been a bad thing


It absolutely would have. But you support bad things.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:04 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:Why can't your country be like all the other developed ones and use a popular vote?


Because the US is unique amongst developed nations and it being different is arguably a feature, instead of a flaw.


Did you just pull the Bethesda "It's not a bug, it's a feature" defense for the whole U.S. being the way it is?
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Postby Picairn » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:04 pm

Saiwania wrote:Because the US is unique amongst developed nations and it being different is arguably a feature, instead of a flaw.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Well, if they had remembered to rake the forest floors, just rake the floors, that's what they always say, rake the floors, Finland does it.

I was a wildland firefighter in 2016 and I lived in Paradise. Can confirm we did not rake the forest. You can blame the fire on me.


Would have cutting down it all somehow helped it?

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

Kowani wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
It was like 3 weeks ago when I learned he was a real person.

I'd like to link Ben's take on the election but that would be a bad idea


I'll search for it myself, good call.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and that would not have been a bad thing


It absolutely would have. But you support bad things.

No

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Postby Cultural Posadism » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

Kowani wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
It was like 3 weeks ago when I learned he was a real person.

I'd like to link Ben's take on the election but that would be a bad idea

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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

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The Commonwealth of Tennessee
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Postby The Commonwealth of Tennessee » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

Trump is steadily growing in Arizona.
https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/18/0
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:The person with the most votes not winning is a bad thing.


Its not if the other person won more states. It's bad enough that New York for example, is solid red but almost always appears solid blue because of solely NYC. The popular vote is used at the more local level, so that should be sufficient.
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Postby Myrensis » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Nagakawa wrote:
On the flip side, why should rural voters have a disproportionate amount of power in choosing who runs the executive, as compared to city voters?

Flipping the side again... when the urban demographic are accustomed to majority popular vote privileges, equality in political voice feels like oppression.


Very close, just replace 'urban demographic' with 'white conservatives ', and and add 'basic civil rights' to 'political voice'.

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Postby Picairn » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:05 pm

Telconi wrote:It absolutely would have. But you support bad things.

President Clinton would have been absolutely better than President Trump, but I guess you value money and guns more than civil rights.
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Postby Nagakawa » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:06 pm

Kowani wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
It was like 3 weeks ago when I learned he was a real person.

I'd like to link Ben's take on the election but that would be a bad idea


You mean the photocopy machine cartoon?

At this point I'm convinced that Garrison's career as a cartoonist is just a front for him to share his fetishes with the world.

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Postby Jolthig » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:06 pm

Apparently there have been attempts to get rid of the electoral college in the past. Problem is, both parties can't agree on how to do so. So....politics. that's why.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:06 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Wait really? Fuck remind me to stay south


For your own viewing pleasure at some point, see what Sacha Baron Cohen learned about Kingman, in Mohave.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:06 pm

Saiwania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The person with the most votes not winning is a bad thing.


Its not if the other person won more states. It's bad enough that New York for example, is solid red but almost always appears solid blue because of solely NYC. The popular vote is used at the more local level, so that should be sufficient.

Land doesnt vote. People do.

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Postby The Giant Space Wyrm » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:06 pm

The United States is indeed very unique in that it has formed a cult of personality around the working-class needing to work even harder for even less.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:07 pm

Myrth wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Why should California's residents decide the outcome for the entire country? The EC is supposed to be a compromise between accepting simple majorities as counted whilst still allowing for the possibility that enough other states can win out despite having fewer people.


Maybe California should split itself into 68 states with the population of Wyoming, each with 3 EVs and 2 senators?


That would be amazing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:07 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Going, going, going.... most likely blue

Trump is 49.5% and Biden 49.3% really close! Come on Georgia, flip!

Actually it’s less than that. Trump only leads by .1%
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:07 pm

Nagakawa wrote:
Kowani wrote:I'd like to link Ben's take on the election but that would be a bad idea


You mean the photocopy machine cartoon?

At this point I'm convinced that Garrison's career as a cartoonist is just a front for him to share his fetishes with the world.


Just googled it, Jesus fucking christ....

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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:07 pm

Picairn wrote:
Telconi wrote:It absolutely would have. But you support bad things.

President Clinton would have been absolutely better than President Trump, but I guess you value money and guns more than civil rights.


How can someone value civil rights more than civil rights?
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:07 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Trump is 49.5% and Biden 49.3% really close! Come on Georgia, flip!

Actually it’s less than that. Trump only leads by .1%

Right. Its very close. Hope biden side wins
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:08 pm

The Giant Space Wyrm wrote:The United States is indeed very unique in that it has formed a cult of personality around the working-class needing to work even harder for even less.


At a certain point, deep diving into the electorate here is more of a study of fascinating sociology and less so of electoral politics and constituency groups.

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Saiwania
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:Land doesnt vote. People do.


People don't vote, states do. People vote for what a state should do.
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