MAGAThread XX: A Journal of the Plague Year

[Celritannia]

Trump hating FBI's investigation into the drastic harassment of Republican supporters around Biden campaign buses.

for a minute i thought you typed "halting" and my blood ran cold

It sure would have been worse if that was the case.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump ... remacists/ what he's actually said is even stronger then that. They "have no place in America"

Biden has said that Trump’s comments in the aftermath of the Charlottesville rally convinced him to run for president. In a video announcing his candidacy, Biden said Trump’s “very fine people on both sides” comment “assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it” and “shocked the conscience of the nation.”

Joe Biden started his entire campaign on a LIE. A lie that the MSM continues to report as if it were fact. Absolutely shameless.

No, it was not a lie at all. Trump did say that there were fine people on both sides, and referred to the Nazis present at the Unite the Right rally.

[The Black Forrest]

That’s a deflection.

Anybody can condemn and say it has no place here. Words are cheap.

The problem? He hasn’t done much if anything in that area. He likes to show his autograph all the time; has he even signed an EO? Doubt it.

So his condemnation is..........meaningless.

What EO should he sign that would make the US more effective at combating white supremacist violence?

Regardless Iit is fundamentally dishonest to claim that Trump has not condemned white supremacy, and what you've done here is just moving the goalposts.

It’s simple really. Words are cheap. Political words are even cheaper. Trumps words belong on the close out table.

The fact he said 3 years ago doesn’t support it and then by other comments and actions; he shows otherwise? The claim is meaningless.

Here are 54 cases of trump inspired hate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-a ... d=58912889

But hey, at least he condemned the white supremacists 3 years ago.

[Rusozak]

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump ... remacists/ what he's actually said is even stronger then that. They "have no place in America"

Biden has said that Trump’s comments in the aftermath of the Charlottesville rally convinced him to run for president. In a video announcing his candidacy, Biden said Trump’s “very fine people on both sides” comment “assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it” and “shocked the conscience of the nation.”

Joe Biden started his entire campaign on a LIE. A lie that the MSM continues to report as if it were fact. Absolutely shameless.

I don't think lies in campaigning are a thread to want to pull. How's that wall and the fat check from Mexico Trump promised?

[Aclion]

Joe Biden started his entire campaign on a LIE. A lie that the MSM continues to report as if it were fact. Absolutely shameless.

No, it was not a lie at all. Trump did say that there were fine people on both sides, and referred to the Nazis present at the Unite the Right rally.

Trump said "there were very fine people on both sides, and I'm not talking about the neonazis, those people should be condemned totally."

This Trump called nazis find people thing is a lie. A lie you are now participating in, because you've already been shown once that its false. You don't have plausible deniablity now.

[The Black Forrest]

No, it was not a lie at all. Trump did say that there were fine people on both sides, and referred to the Nazis present at the Unite the Right rally.

Trump said "there were very fine people on both sides, and I'm not talking about the neonazis, those people should be condemned totally."

This Trump called nazis find people thing is a lie. A lie you are now participating in, because you've already been shown once that its false. You don't have plausible deniablity now.

Ohhh so who was he referring too then?

[Albrenia]

Trump said "there were very fine people on both sides, and I'm not talking about the neonazis, those people should be condemned totally."

This Trump called nazis find people thing is a lie. A lie you are now participating in, because you've already been shown once that its false. You don't have plausible deniablity now.

Ohhh so who was he referring too then?

The states rights advocates who were honestly and sincerely concerned about preserving American culture. They were chanting "Jews will not replace us" ironically.

[Aclion]

What EO should he sign that would make the US more effective at combating white supremacist violence?

Regardless Iit is fundamentally dishonest to claim that Trump has not condemned white supremacy, and what you've done here is just moving the goalposts.

It’s simple really. Words are cheap. Political words are even cheaper. Trumps words belong on the close out table.

The fact he said 3 years ago doesn’t support it and then by other comments and actions; he shows otherwise? The claim is meaningless.

Here are 54 cases of trump inspired hate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-a ... d=58912889

But hey, at least he condemned the white supremacists 3 years ago.

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

[Kowani]

It’s simple really. Words are cheap. Political words are even cheaper. Trumps words belong on the close out table.

The fact he said 3 years ago doesn’t support it and then by other comments and actions; he shows otherwise? The claim is meaningless.

Here are 54 cases of trump inspired hate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-a ... d=58912889

But hey, at least he condemned the white supremacists 3 years ago.

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

Translation: You don't know anything about Robert Byrd.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

No, it was not a lie at all. Trump did say that there were fine people on both sides, and referred to the Nazis present at the Unite the Right rally.

Trump said "there were very fine people on both sides, and I'm not talking about the neonazis, those people should be condemned totally."

This Trump called nazis find people thing is a lie. A lie you are now participating in, because you've already been shown once that its false. You don't have plausible deniablity now.

No, he has called Nazis fine people. At the Unite the Right rally, there were no non-white supremacists on the side of the right-wing violence. There were only fascists and fascist collaborators (also known as fascists). Meanwhile, the 'other side' was made up of anti-fascist protestors, and I happen to believe (and you might disagree) that anti-fascism is morally superior to fascism, and that even violent anti-fascists should be held in higher regard than violent fascists.

Besides, can you explain why so many white nationalists and fascists support Trump?

[The Black Forrest]

It’s simple really. Words are cheap. Political words are even cheaper. Trumps words belong on the close out table.

The fact he said 3 years ago doesn’t support it and then by other comments and actions; he shows otherwise? The claim is meaningless.

Here are 54 cases of trump inspired hate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-a ... d=58912889

But hey, at least he condemned the white supremacists 3 years ago.

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

Again. Words are cheap. Political words are cheaper and Trumps words belong on the close out table.

It’s fascinating how you accept one admonition of white supremacists and ignore all his other comments. How did they try to explain it? Trump just being Trump..

Finally, the word hate. It’s fascinating how that is the refuge. “you can’t accept it because you hate blah blah blah”. Here is the thing of it. When I log off from here, don’t watch the news, go to bed a night.....I am not thinking about him. People are funny that way. They can see someone as being incompetent and not spend their time on hate. Something to consider.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It’s simple really. Words are cheap. Political words are even cheaper. Trumps words belong on the close out table.

The fact he said 3 years ago doesn’t support it and then by other comments and actions; he shows otherwise? The claim is meaningless.

Here are 54 cases of trump inspired hate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-a ... d=58912889

But hey, at least he condemned the white supremacists 3 years ago.

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

Yet all the white supremacists and racists support Trump, while people from minority demographics overwhelmingly vote for Biden. Yeah, Biden is bad, sure. I would rather have an actual leftist candidate rather than the same centrism that handed the country over to Trump. But still, his presidency would not be the erosion of civil liberties, economic rights and democratic institutions we have seen under Trump.

[Vassenor]

It’s simple really. Words are cheap. Political words are even cheaper. Trumps words belong on the close out table.

The fact he said 3 years ago doesn’t support it and then by other comments and actions; he shows otherwise? The claim is meaningless.

Here are 54 cases of trump inspired hate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-a ... d=58912889

But hey, at least he condemned the white supremacists 3 years ago.

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

So what was the motivation behind Trump's support of Birtherism? What was the motivation behind Trump's calls for the execution of the Central Park Five even after their acquittal? What was the cause of Trump's multiple lawsuits for racial discrimination in the housing projects he owned? What was the motivation for his lies about Arab-Americans cheering on 9/11?

But no, he made a few milquetoast condemnations of white supremacy because someone told him it would stop the backlash so he must be the most anti-racist guy who ever lived.

[Aclion]

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

Yet all the white supremacists and racists support Trump, while people from minority demographics overwhelmingly vote for Biden. Yeah, Biden is bad, sure. I would rather have an actual leftist candidate rather than the same centrism that handed the country over to Trump. But still, his presidency would not be the erosion of civil liberties, economic rights and democratic institutions we have seen under Trump.

Uh no. Biden has ben endorsed by Richard Spencer, the leader of the neonazi movement Trump condemned. Meanwhile Trump has been consistently drawing over more minority voters from the democrats party, and regularly flirts with that magic 30% approval among black voters, largely thanks to his work on taxes and trade to bring economic opportunity to those communities, policies Joe Biden has vowed to reverse.

Its fine if you're willing to fuck over some of the most mistreated people in the country in order to see your side win, but don't pretent your standing up to racism when your helping Biden sell blacks down the river again

[Farnhamia]

Yet all the white supremacists and racists support Trump, while people from minority demographics overwhelmingly vote for Biden. Yeah, Biden is bad, sure. I would rather have an actual leftist candidate rather than the same centrism that handed the country over to Trump. But still, his presidency would not be the erosion of civil liberties, economic rights and democratic institutions we have seen under Trump.

Uh no. Biden has ben endorsed by Richard Spencer, the leader of the neonazi movement Trump condemned. Meanwhile Trump has been consistently drawing over more minority voters from the democrats party, and regularly flirts with that magic 30% approval among black voters, largely thanks to his work on taxes and trade to bring economic opportunity to those communities, policies Joe Biden has vowed to reverse.

Its fine if you're willing to fuck over some of the most mistreated people in the country in order to see your side win, but don't pretent your standing up to racism when your helping Biden sell blacks down the river again

Biden renounced Spencer's endorsement, you know. And Trump had to be dragged reluctantly to condemning the Neonazis. That's where the "good people on both sides" comment came from. I'd be interested in seeing sources for Trump garnering more and more minority support.

[Kowani]

Uh no. Biden has ben endorsed by Richard Spencer, the leader of the neonazi movement Trump condemned. Meanwhile Trump has been consistently drawing over more minority voters from the democrats party, and regularly flirts with that magic 30% approval among black voters, largely thanks to his work on taxes and trade to bring economic opportunity to those communities, policies Joe Biden has vowed to reverse.

Its fine if you're willing to fuck over some of the most mistreated people in the country in order to see your side win, but don't pretent your standing up to racism when your helping Biden sell blacks down the river again

Biden renounced Spencer's endorsement, you know. And Trump had to be dragged reluctantly to condemning the Neonazis. That's where the "good people on both sides" comment came from. I'd be interested in seeing sources for Trump garnering more and more minority support.

It's literally all right-wing propaganda papers (Brietbart, the Washington Examiner, etc) quoting a single Ramussen poll.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Can't people people are trying the "Trump's not racist!" card even though we've known he's a racist since the 80s when he was sued multiple times for racial discrimination against black employees and customers of his businesses.

Get fucking real, people. His dad was in the KKK. He calls Nazis "very fine people". He told the Proud Boys to "stand by". He called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers. He said Arabs cheered on 9/11. He's retweeted videos of white supremacists supporting him. There are videos of racists harassing non-whites and screaming "MAGA!" the whole time.

He. Is. Fucking. Racist.

Just once I'd like to see Trumpers own up to how awful their candidate is instead of trying to sweep all his bullshit under the rug. Just accept your guy is a heartless idiot and bigot, for fucks sake. You're only deluding yourselves at this point.

[Kowani]

Trump ellipses bigly in court, has his program for immigrants on public assistance programs struck down.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Can't people people are trying the "Trump's not racist!" card even though we've known he's a racist since the 80s when he was sued multiple times for racial discrimination against black employees and customers of his businesses.

Get fucking real, people. His dad was in the KKK. He calls Nazis "very fine people". He told the Proud Boys to "stand by". He called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers. He said Arabs cheered on 9/11. He's retweeted videos of white supremacists supporting him. There are videos of racists harassing non-whites and screaming "MAGA!" the whole time.

He. Is. Fucking. Racist.

Just once I'd like to see Trumpers own up to how awful their candidate is instead of trying to sweep all his bullshit under the rug. Just accept your guy is a heartless idiot and bigot, for fucks sake. You're only deluding yourselves at this point.

Remember back when racists admitted to being racist? Now they just say "I'm not racist but..."

Donald Trump has done so much to harm race relations in America.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Yet all the white supremacists and racists support Trump, while people from minority demographics overwhelmingly vote for Biden. Yeah, Biden is bad, sure. I would rather have an actual leftist candidate rather than the same centrism that handed the country over to Trump. But still, his presidency would not be the erosion of civil liberties, economic rights and democratic institutions we have seen under Trump.

Uh no. Biden has ben endorsed by Richard Spencer, the leader of the neonazi movement Trump condemned. Meanwhile Trump has been consistently drawing over more minority voters from the democrats party, and regularly flirts with that magic 30% approval among black voters, largely thanks to his work on taxes and trade to bring economic opportunity to those communities, policies Joe Biden has vowed to reverse.

Its fine if you're willing to fuck over some of the most mistreated people in the country in order to see your side win, but don't pretent your standing up to racism when your helping Biden sell blacks down the river again

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news ... -joe-biden

I am a leftist. I oppose Biden in most regards. But a neoliberal is still slightly better than a fascist. Trump supports KKK statues of Confederate heroes. He opposes DACA. He has reinforced ICE. He wants to build a literal wall at the border, calls Mexicans rapists and murderers.

https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/08/12/ ... -policies/

Here is a list, if you want to disprove the racism of the Trump administration.

If you think Biden is racist because of his voting record, then you will also uave to explain why Trump is not racist for endorsing those same policies, and why you don’t support defunding the police in order to prevent such racist bills in the future. Or are you just repeating the talking points of people who are designing them especially for you to share them uncritically?

[The Emerald Legion]

Joe Biden started his entire campaign on a LIE. A lie that the MSM continues to report as if it were fact. Absolutely shameless.

No, it was not a lie at all. Trump did say that there were fine people on both sides, and referred to the Nazis present at the Unite the Right rally.

No he didn't, and said so *at the time.* It's fake news. Stop believing it.

[Myrensis]

It’s simple really. Words are cheap. Political words are even cheaper. Trumps words belong on the close out table.

The fact he said 3 years ago doesn’t support it and then by other comments and actions; he shows otherwise? The claim is meaningless.

Here are 54 cases of trump inspired hate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-a ... d=58912889

But hey, at least he condemned the white supremacists 3 years ago.

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

Not at all, I entirely believe that Trump isn't a racist, because I don't think Trump really makes much distinction among people who aren't Trump beyond "Useful to me." "Not useful to me." and "Bruised my ego and must be punished to the end of time."

But he knows that a good number of his supporters are racist, and has zero issue with pandering to them and telling them to 'stand by'. Similar to the way I doubt Trump gives a shit about Transgendered people, but has had zero issue throwing them under the bus to get the Evangelicals hard.

[New haven america]

No, it was not a lie at all. Trump did say that there were fine people on both sides, and referred to the Nazis present at the Unite the Right rally.

No he didn't, and said so *at the time.* It's fake news. Stop believing it.

Literally 1 Google search later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPhKTOeRfAE

[Neutraligon]

the fact is you know Trump isn't a racist but you will pretend he is because that is the only way you can justify your hatred of him and his supporter while you go on to support a literal segregationist who sponseredthe bill that destroyed Black families and praised the leader of a Klan chapter as a guide, mentor and friend.

Not at all, I entirely believe that Trump isn't a racist, because I don't think Trump really makes much distinction among people who aren't Trump beyond "Useful to me." "Not useful to me." and "Bruised my ego and must be punished to the end of time."

But he knows that a good number of his supporters are racist, and has zero issue with pandering to them and telling them to 'stand by'. Similar to the way I doubt Trump gives a shit about Transgendered people, but has had zero issue throwing them under the bus to get the Evangelicals hard.

His history of racial discrimination before his presidency makes this questionable.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Not at all, I entirely believe that Trump isn't a racist, because I don't think Trump really makes much distinction among people who aren't Trump beyond "Useful to me." "Not useful to me." and "Bruised my ego and must be punished to the end of time."

But he knows that a good number of his supporters are racist, and has zero issue with pandering to them and telling them to 'stand by'. Similar to the way I doubt Trump gives a shit about Transgendered people, but has had zero issue throwing them under the bus to get the Evangelicals hard.

His history of racial discrimination before his presidency makes this questionable.

I believe he is racist to black people but the islamaphobia and hispanophobia stuff is definitely pandering.