by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:46 am
by Vu Den Voc » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:48 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:48 am
by Vu Den Voc » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:50 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Send them to a museum, or as an alternative, tear down the original statue and build a more accurate one.
I support using a wrecking ball on the statue of a slave owner and replacing it with a new plaque commemorating the people who were used and abused by him when he was alive. We will preserve his memory but in a far more accurate fashion. And if that offends the sensibilities of some, we can move the statue to a museum and then put up the plaque. But the original statue has to go.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:51 am
Vu Den Voc wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Send them to a museum, or as an alternative, tear down the original statue and build a more accurate one.
I support using a wrecking ball on the statue of a slave owner and replacing it with a new plaque commemorating the people who were used and abused by him when he was alive. We will preserve his memory but in a far more accurate fashion. And if that offends the sensibilities of some, we can move the statue to a museum and then put up the plaque. But the original statue has to go.
Exactly, its kinda like the berlin wall, we destroyed it but we still have pieces of it.
by Eurasies » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:55 am
by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:56 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:56 am
Eurasies wrote:Let's tear down the statues of Columbus and Churchill because they were fucking straight white people
I don't care that Columbus discovered a whole continent and that Churchill finished off the Nazis!
by The Reformed American Republic » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:58 am
Vu Den Voc wrote:i Think while we should remove it, we should at least put the logos and statues in a museum
by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:59 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Eurasies wrote:Let's tear down the statues of Columbus and Churchill because they were fucking straight white people
I don't care that Columbus discovered a whole continent and that Churchill finished off the Nazis!
You know that's a very unnuanced view of why people want some statues gone, right?
The issue isn't just that statues exist. Its that said statues often glorify some pretty awful people. I would support a Columbus statue if said statues showed him enslaving natives, since that's the scumbag type of stuff he did.
by Eurasies » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:59 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Eurasies wrote:Let's tear down the statues of Columbus and Churchill because they were fucking straight white people
I don't care that Columbus discovered a whole continent and that Churchill finished off the Nazis!
You know that's a very unnuanced view of why people want some statues gone, right?
The issue isn't just that statues exist. Its that said statues often glorify some pretty awful people. I would support a Columbus statue if said statues showed him enslaving natives, since that's the scumbag type of stuff he did.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:59 am
by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:01 am
by The Reformed American Republic » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:02 am
by Auzkhia » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:02 am
by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:03 am
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So we can't even put it in a museum? The glorious statue without any context should remain standing
No, statues to people like George Washington should stay up. They founded this country whether you like it or not and our country is a representation of their ideas whether you like it or not. It's not like a Robert E. Lee statue that is there to simply make a racist statement.
by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:05 am
Auzkhia wrote:Statues and logos aren't how people learn from history especially since in the context they serve.
Putting them in a museum about racial history or the civil war for example, not on public display before the state capitol. Or better yet, there's no reason to have them at all, and often there were photographs of their dedication ceremonies because, which can be used as documentation of such virtue signals to white supremacy.
History is not something that should be worshiped or revered as the simpler better times, it's storytelling and we should see it as how one can be better.
by Geneviev » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:05 am
by Eurasies » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:06 am
by -Ocelot- » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:06 am
Untecna wrote:I disagree, because we are removing our history and trying to forget our past, but that's my opinion on it.
by Ifreann » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:07 am
by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:08 am
Eurasies wrote:Let's tear down the statues of Washington because it was bad and in its place we put statues of Marx who was a good person
Man please don't make a fool of yourself, a lot of people have been important to history, and it's wrong to glorify them, but it's also wrong to hate them just because they don't meet modern standards
by Vu Den Voc » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:08 am
by Untecna » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:09 am
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